• frezik@midwest.social
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    Those (?=...) bits are positive lookahead assertions:

    Lookaround assertions are zero-width patterns which match a specific pattern without including it in $&. Positive assertions match when their subpattern matches, negative assertions match when their subpattern fails. Lookbehind matches text up to the current match position, lookahead matches text following the current match position.

    The one (?!...) is a negative lookahead assertion.

    The $& var doesn’t really matter outside of Perl. It contains the text of the pattern you just matched, but even within Perl, capture groups are preferred. Once used at all, it will slow down your program every time a new regex is hit, which is especially bad in long running web server environments. Gets used sometimes in short scripts, though.

    What really matters is that the lookaheads don’t consume any text. In other words, the pointer that shows where in the text we are doesn’t increment; once we’re outside of the lookahead, we’re still right back in the same place.

    So let’s break this down using the /x modifier to make it somewhat sane.

    /^
    (?!.*\s) # no whitespace allowed
    (?=.{8,256}$) # between 8 and 256 characters (the '$' here indicating the end of the string)
    (?=.*[a-z]) # has to be a lowercase ASCII alphabet char somewhere
    (?=.*[A-Z]) # has to be an uppercase ASCII alphabet char somewhere
    ( # need a number, or a list of special chars on a US keyboard
        (?=.*[0-9]) 
        | (?=.*[~!@#$%^&*()-=_+[\]{}|;:,./<>?])
    )
    .* # consumes the whole string
    $/x
    

    Notes:

    • Doesn’t make any allowances for non-English characters, or even non-US characters (like the “£” character in the UK)
    • There’s a whole slew of utf8 characters out there that should count towards “special characters”, but aren’t considered here
    • There’s no reason to deny whitespace; let people use passphrases if they want (but then, you also don’t want to block those people for not using symbols)
    • Putting a limit at 256 is questionable, but may not necessarily be wrong

    That last one has some nuance. We often say you shouldn’t put any upper limit, but that’s generally not true in the real world. You don’t want someone flooding an indefinite amount of data into any field, password or not. A large limit like this is defensible.

    Also, lots of devs are surprised to learn that bcrypt and scrypt have a length limit of 72 bytes. A way around this is to run your input through SHA256 before giving it to bcrypt or scrypt.

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      Honestly, white space is a character, and adds extra entropy to passwords. I do not understand why people do not want to promote using white space in passwords/passphrases. If I’m missing something intrinsically bad about white space in passwords, I’d love to know.

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        You’re right on. As long as you’re otherwise following best practices for storing passwords, there’s no downside.

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      As someone who spent many years as a Perl developer, I immediately recognized the incantations to the regex gods of old, heh. Great explanation!

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      I don’t see a reason to limit the length as long as the password hash can handle large values. I am green when it comes to the inner workings of password hashing, so I may be wrong.

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        Being able to handle it, and being able to handle it efficiently enough are two very distinct things. The hash method might be able to handle long strings, but it might take several seconds/minutes to process them, slowing down the application significantly. Imagine a malicious user being able to set a password with millions (or billions!) of characters.

        Therefore, restricting it to a small, but still sufficiently big, number of characters might help prevent DoS-attacks without any notable reduction in security for regular users.

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      Bets on what percentage of users on that site have that exact regex string as their password? 10%?

      Comedy answer: this is one of those sites that doesn’t let 2 people use the same password so it’s only 1 person

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    I know regex!

    This means:

    • Must not contain whitespace

    • Must contain lowercase latin letter

    • Must contain uppercase latin letter

    • Must contain a number

    • Must contain one of the symbols you’d normally be able to type on US keyboard !@#$%^&*()-=_+[\]{}|;:,./<>?

    It is a cursed way to do validation, though.

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      Technically just needs a number or a special character, there’s a | between the lookaheads for numbers and special characters.

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    Explanation:

    That is a the regex string for that sites password field. Regex is a sequence of characters used to see if an input matches a defined pattern to validate the input in code (theres also other uses but thats what being done here). Sites normally dont show the regex pattern since it is pain to parse even if you know how to write things in regex and to people who dont code this looks like a random output. Im assuming a bug exists that prints out the wrong error string so that this shows instead of the human readable one

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    I use a password manager with a random password generator. It’s always disconcerting when I find a website that finds my passwords to be too complicated. Like “you can’t use more than eight characters and the only special characters you can use are @ and !”. What the shit?!?

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      “you may only use characters that we can store in a plaintext SQL field”

      Oh man I fuckin hate that shit

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      Typically, the account creation will fail without saying why.

      Is it because the site is broken? Because I already have an account? Because I used too weird a password? (10 minutes later) ok, it’s because it’s coded by idiots and it can’t handle a 24 character password but a 12 character one works.

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        I once experienced a site just silently truncating a password that was too long. Such a ridiculous thing to do. It was several years ago, gaming related. I think it might have been Ubisoft, but I’m not sure that I’m remembering that correctly.

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      generate 32-char-pw -> “Must not be longer than 20” 🤨

      generate 32-char-pw -> “you must include a specific special character” 🤨

      below 10 characters is truly atrocious - and thankfully rare

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    Kind of related question: why are no whitespaces allowed in many passwords while special characters are? I’m a huge fan of elaborate nonsense sentence passphrases but get shot down.

    (I ask cause that regex has that requirement it seems)

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      I have no idea if this is true or not but I was told it harkens back to very early multi-user operating systems where user credentials were stored unencrypted in plaintext files that used white space as delimiters.

      I tend to believe this might be accurate because I learned programming back in the 1980’s on an Onyx Systems microcomputer. There was a bug that some of us learned about in its rudimentary email program that would dump you into its otherwise-protected system directory. In that directory was a file containing both usernames & passwords in clear text. I don’t recall if it used white space as a delimiter, but given everything was in clear text and not encrypted I think that might have been the case.

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        Oh boy, having done data science work with government files, you remind me that they still use terrible delimiters. A white space delimiter sounds significantly worse than a tab delimited file, though!