The CEO is a total scumbag and Apollo closing down.
That one article that coined the term ‘enshittification’ and made me realise centralised, for-profit social media will always turn garbage after awhile. I’m tired of changing sites every few years. Time to use something that’ll stay good this time.
Losing Apollo was the main reason.
However this whole saga unveiled other disturbing things such as how Reddit is leveraging its communities for advertising in this post: https://lemmy.world/post/837198
Reddit, like Digg before it, was a gathering place, where people could post or consume content, and interact with other users. It was much like a town square, where people can set up their soapbox and bark, or where a person could go and listen, interact, and enjoy.
Reddit is now like the Home Owners Association for that particular town square, and are actively trying to control the entire experience, by acting like they own the soapboxes, and as though the barkers are now obligated to ensure that content is HOA approved.
That kind of neighborhood holds no appeal for me.
I left Reddit because I gave them so many years of dedication (and $ via Reddit premium), not even considering the fact I bought coins on multiple accounts.
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Reddit became way too focused on Karma. Karma is great in concept, but more than half of the users are only posting for internet points at this point. It takes away from the validity of posts imo. How many “I stopped drinking for 30 days!” posts did you see on there with like 70k upvotes and thousands of karma?
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The amount of not genuine posts is alarming. People have become addicted to the upvote/downvote system moreso than boomers on Facebook have become attached to their pages.
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The amount of hate speech, misinformation and blatant lies the site actively promotes is insane.
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They literally made everyone NFT wallets…???
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NFT wallets?? Why the fuck was this ever approved? Oh yeah, more $, and something else for Spez to add to his IPO rubbish. Hey look at us we have some NFTs too type beat.
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The userbase is pretty shit and Spez has even admitted to not caring about the people who made his site what it is.
Why would anyone ever stay on a site where the literal CEO says he doesn’t need nor care about you?
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I was on the fence about it until the Spez AMA. Then, I decided I’d be leaving on the 30th.
Then, I had a user call me “fucking stupid” for supporting a sub shutting down, and that was the final straw for me. I had seen how friendly people on Lemmy are and this showed me how toxic Reddit is by comparison. So I immediately nuked all my comments & posts and deleted my account. This was around two weeks ago and I’ve been much happier here.
The amount of boot licking is astonishing.
In that AMA I discovered a subreddit literally named friends of spez they were going around that ama and raining people with legitimate criticisms with downvotes although most of the other redditors tipped the scales fairly quickly they were also throwing reports on these users as well and of course they weren’t banned because they’re friends with spez
main reason is the app changes of course, but I’ve been getting sick of the site for quite awhile.
powermods that run hundreds of subreddits abusing their authority, everyone is snarky and rude, only approved stances are allowed and anything deviating from them get dogpiled/censored, the annoying redditisms (edit: Thank you kind stranger! Wow I didn’t expect this to blow up! obvious fake stories in AITA/Relationships, etc).
the entire site was just getting really stale.
the upside was that it had an active forum for almost every niche interest, but that’s also a negative as it really killed many of the small special interest communities.
You summarized my experience / feelings on the matter perfectly.
A few of the reddit mods were so obnoxious, they would ban you for posting to other subs they didn’t like. Even if you had never been to their stupid sub or cared about it, you would get a random ban notification from some wacky niche sub.
On the one hand: who cares. But on the other hand: it doesn’t feel like a very welcoming place when you check the site for the first time that day and some weirdo has banned you “because reasons”.
I even saw one mod that would stalk individual users and mock them for getting banned from his precious sub. It was so absurd.
As for the typical users of reddit: I know it’s a tired cliché…but it really was like a “hive mind” over there.
It also has a horrible new user experience. To get some basic level of karma you have to jump through hoops. The whole thing feels like a nasty reindeer game.
I’m really glad lemmy doesn’t have karma.
Oh boy, you get an updoot for that!
Any time someone says upvote but replaces vote with anything I downdoot them.
What are your feelings vis-a-vis “upboat”?
You’re still replacing the word “vote” with something. It’s all annoying to me and my visceral reaction is to downvote. Petty and not something important, I know.
Honestly I was using reddit app on all my devices, but I kinda despise big ass tech companies who think they are too big to fail no matter what they do…
So, here I am.
I was a mod on Reddit so I was personally aware that for years Reddit’s mod tools have been totally inadequate for the job, that Reddit has been promising to give us something better, and that Reddit has failed to deliver. Honestly, it was even worse than just not delivering: we’d get new tools that didn’t solve the main problems, were only available on the iOS app, coming to Android eventually, and coming to the websites never. Third party API tools were the only thing that made modding vaguely functional, even on a small sub.
I’m also a supporter of accessibility in apps, which is also something Reddit has been promising for years and Reddit has failed to deliver. Again, third party API tools are the only thing that makes Reddit vaguely accessible right now.
Reddit’s API changes are not realistic to implement in a single month. This was made clear early on and Reddit has refused to budge. So at this point Reddit is knowingly upending an ecosystem that makes their site usable by groups of users with no first-party replacements ready. And given their history of failing to deliver these very tools, I have no confidence that they will ever do so.
And THEN the Spez AMA happened. I was hoping he’d listen to the community, engage with our concerns, or at the very least actually do an AMA. Instead he got caught lying, he got caught astroturfing, and he inadvertently made it clear that the real issue was that he was butthurt over these third party apps being better at business than Reddit was. Oh, and later we found out the Reddit CEO really admired Elon Musk’s handling of Twitter, a platform I left for all the reasons Spez seems to like it.
Even if none of these issues affected me personally (which they do), Reddit has made it clear that I just can’t trust them to run a fair and functional platform. They do not take their obligations to their users, mods, and business partners seriously. If they don’t like the way the game is going, they’ll change the rules without warning. They will promise features they will not deliver even when those features are essential to their site working for the users who keep it alive.
I don’t want to help Reddit build what Reddit wants to make anymore.
Losing RiF, I can’t use the official app it’s trash.
It’s why I’m moving on fully now as well. The official app is the worst garbage pile app I’ve seen in a while. Only apps woede are the low-efdort moneygrabs. That and loosing boost is why I’ll probably not be seen on Reddit for a WHILE.
Rif is getting shut down. And most of the sensible people seems to be moving to kbin+lemmy. I just followed suit.
I actually left Reddit in early 2022, I’m not from the latest migration wave. I left for a combination of these reasons, the first of which is the main one:
- algorithmic feed designed to arise strong emotions, often negative
- snark and noise in the comments
- ads
- impenetrable moderation rules that often make it difficult to figure why a post is rejected, even after carefully reading all the sub’s guidelines and FAQs cover to cover, as well as reviewing past threads
I can’t say I definitely won’t go back…I like Lemmy’s community better than Reddit’s but I’m not sure it’ll ever be as popular or as reliable as a source of info as Reddit. I think the Fediverse runs into similar problems to Linux, where it’s definitely superior in most ways to the nonfree competition, but that superiority goes hand in hand with inaccessibility to non-nerds. I like Tumblr’s community less than Reddit (and Lemmy, Reddit, and Tumblr are the only three social media sites I even find the community tolerable, though I don’t have Mastodon because I don’t have anyone I want to follow there) and Tumblr has never been useful for searching info.
But let me tell you, Spez’s conduct and praise of Elon Musk is what has me considering not going back. It’s just…he tried to act on the pulse of the userbase and failed spectacularly. Also hearing that Reddit is a noticably higher percentage assholes after the protests started.
Reddit has gone down-hill significantly. Over the last week most people have been gone while I was hesitant to leave reddit, and I’ve seen maybe one or two higher quality post. It’s gone to absolute shit.
Best part is, reddits solution? Ban moderators and close the subreddit.
Because apparently Lemmy was blowing up. I really support FOSS, but the only reason I don’t migrate right away is the lack of activity. And then Reddit just became unbearable all of a sudden, then there’s the surge of new Lemmy users. I’m finally happy to join.-
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Significant increase in non-human/bot accounts makes it difficult to know whether you’re actually talking to a real person anymore.
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I was not personally affected by API changes and do not sympathize with for-profit 3rd party developers, however reddit’s withdrawal of support for communities like Transcribers of Reddit is mean-spirited and marginalizes our friends and neighbours who want to enjoy social media like everyone else.
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Nothing good ever happens for an existing userbase when an organization/product joins the zombie death-march of publicly-traded assets. Capitalism will inevitably ruin everything it encounters, and reddit will not be spared from this outcome.
Genuinely curious why
and do not sympathize with for-profit 3rd party developers
From my understanding many of them are more than willing to pay for API access, but Reddit is making the prices unreasonable
My remark is probably too harsh. I meant that companies developing for-profit products based on another company’s product/infrastructure, which they do not own, will be subject to whatever changes the latter decides to make. Any company that develops such a product should understand and take that into consideration. That said, I think reddit made a mistake re: its pricing for API access because the site benefits from that collaboration more than is harmed. However, if reddit wants to cut off its nose to spite its face they’re entitled to do so, just as we’re entitled to leave.
For sure, I completely agree
In no way is Reddit responsible for providing 3rd party API access.
A big part of the frustration for me is them pretending like they are still doing the right thing by continuing to provide it. When in reality it is simply not affordable
A big part of the frustration for me is them pretending like they are still doing the right thing by continuing to provide it.
Agree completely! Reddit has never been in the business of ‘doing the right thing’ and these API fees are clearly designed to discourage third-party developers. Reddit leadership do not seem to understand what drives the value of their own product and have badly misread both their short- and long-term futures, so the experiment will likely end in failure.
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