“we respect the protests, but we will remove everyone that will protest”
the part “decide that don’t want to be a mod anymore” is so infuriating and unrespectful. Like they don’t know what’s goin on…
Actually, as a mod, that’s the strongest action you could take… stop moderating for free for reddit. “Jun 12, 2023 When they’re all functioning normally, Reddit boasts nearly 140,000 active subreddits at any given time” according to https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/how-many-subreddits-are-on-reddit/ Now imagine 1 in 10 subreddits were abandoned by their mods. That’s 14,000 subreddits without moderation. Let Spez take over the role of the Landed Gentry for 14,000 subreddits. If he thinks he’s not making money now, how much will he have to pay to take care of all those subreddits?
As much as I agree with you, I have to disagree as well. In the short term they would have to pay their staff to mod those pages. But for how long will it take for them to find another sucker of a mod to do it for free?
Yes it would cost them money but it would not be for long.
Spez is a narcissist. Why give him your labor for free?
Sure, they may get another sucker to do it for free, why be a narcissist’s sucker?
If he’s abused these mods, he’ll abuse those mods. And yes, he could get AI to do this, but then again, years ago* (Steve H became CEO in 2015) we were promised a better Reddit app. Like the music business, Reddit is constantly losing money, unwilling to change, but still around.
*I would link it, but for some reason, U/Spez’s history stops 3 years ago. I’m sure it’s a Reddit glitch that will be fixed just like the better Reddit app that’s waiting for us under the rainbow.
But for how long will it take for them to find another sucker of a mod to do it for free?
Modding, especially on larger subs, is a PITA and takes way more time than most people think. You can always find users who say they will do it but in my experience with across several 1M+ subs most new mods will either drop out or go inactive in 3 weeks or less.
Less popular subs in the 250k user range will sometimes only get 1 or 2 volunteers and sometimes no one at all.
It isn’t nearly as easy to replace moderators as you’re making it out to be.
It’s pretty obvious that reddit needs these communities. But these communities don’t need Reddit, clearly.
Dear person volunteering your time and effort for what you thought was a worthy endeavor. We’re trying to commodify your work so we can make a killing so don’t fuck it up for us.
Dear Spez,
I’ve learned that Reddit wants to profit from my content. I’ve therefore decided to monetize my content going forward. I have very reasonable rates of $50 USD per post. $75 USD for long posts.
I’m willing to discuss this with Reddit but these rates are nonnegotiable.
Subreddits belong to the community of users…
Spez, read that again. Slower this time.
It’s not even true though. Subreddits belong to the user who creates it, they become the top mod and delegate to other mods. If users don’t like how a subreddit is moderated, they are free to make their own subreddit - they aren’t supposed to take over someone else’s subreddit.
Reddit: “Subreddits are for the community of reddit users who rely on them.”
Community of reddit users: “We think the sub should stay private, and if you force it open, we’ll spam sexy John Oliver and porn.”
Reddit: “wait no not like that”
This message is mind-blowingly tone deaf.
Fuck em. God its nice to be able to say “fuck em” without having to worry about elon or spez getting butthurt and banning my account.
Honestly, mods should just force the issue and make Reddit replace them. It’s going to be a big problem if Reddit needs to find new moderators for hundreds if not thousands of subreddits. And that’s assuming all the new moderators will play along and not immediately join the protest, go on a tyrannical power trip, or just go dark after a few weeks.
Why would anyone even want to be a mod right now? It’s like your boss threatening to fire you from a job you’re not paid for while the building is actively on fire.
Mod of /r/homeimprovement here, that’s exactly what we are doing. We are staying dark and forcing them to replace us if that’s what they want to do at this point. We are at least going to make them work for it, lol.
That is what will happen though. A lot of mods have already been replaced.
Replaced by whom?
I get that some people will step up into being Mods, but modding is hard and thankless work - I’ve done it a few times over the years.
There’s always subs crying out for new Mods, so you’ll end up scraping the barrel for Mods, then the quality will go down, people will get pissed off. With thousands of Subs suddenly needing modding, there’s simply not enough volunteers to go around.
One of Reddits unsung resources was its army of Mods keeping the content of some quality (define that as you will). Reddit really is cutting its nose off right now.
Out of curiosity, how likely do you expect those reddit mods to move to lemmy? I see a bunch of retiring mods posts, but not many that have said they were moving here.
There will be lag, sometimes significant lag, in moving I think. Remember, the protests were about trying to save Reddit, and, failing that, making it as obvious as possible that Reddit’s about to shoot itself in the groin. People who have invested a decade or more building and running stable and growing communities kind of have to grieve the loss of the fruit of their labours.
I do think you’ll see many of them show up here relatively soon, as users. But the prospect of rebuilding from near scratch will probably take a little more time for people to wrestle with.
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that is a softening of language from a couple days ago, def feeling pain.
they dont realize there is no going back, thier path is now set.
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Open it back up and just stop moderating it? Make them mildly infuriated that you’re acting your wage.
Roses are red, violets are blue. Open your sub, or we’ll boot you too.
Roses when plucked, they leave a grass hole. Fuck Spez, he’s such an asshole
Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet and so are you.
But the roses are wilting, the violets are dead, the sugar bowl’s empty, just like spez’s head
I love the condescension here - your protest is “taking a break from moderating”
Subreddits belong to the community of users…
So you’re providing tools to allow democratic control of subreddits, right?
Right?
Fuck em. This is my first post on Lemmy and I’m happy it exists.
Does that also mean your first word on Lemmy is “fuck”?
Just spoke to @Tamhenk’s parents, fuck was their first word in general.
It’s how they were made too!
it’s fucks all the way down
all of us are fucks
😏
Damn emoticons are bad style, here on redd…
ah.
Nevermind.
Here is what to do, use a script to delete everything from the sub and then delete the sub. If thry dont care about you, dont let them take yoyr sub and contiue making money.
i think they have backed up all the subs and accounts , illegally too
Illegally?? I very much doubt that they have written their TOS such that backing up their own servers is criminal
even after deleting everything every post they still have it on reddit then it’s b.s
I do think the question of who owns community content is nuanced. I put this comment here, you might say that means I own it and should be able to withdraw it - but it also doesn’t mean much of anything by itself, it needs your content to make sense. So who owns the discourse we are having? Me or you? Or whoever runs the server it is stored on - who must have some legal right to reproduce our content in order to provide the community space? Or the community as a whole? The combined content on Reddit represents an incredibly valuable store of information and learning - who does that belong to? Who should get to benefit from it?
