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  • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
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    20 hours ago

    I’m so sorry and ashamed of those Swedes. Tallin is such a beautiful city. I hope the Estonian police can gather enough data and share it with Swedish police to identify and prosecute those idiots.

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        19 hours ago

        There was a a daycare that was annoyed by parents that were always late to pick up their kids. This was a problem because it meant the staff would have to work late. So they decided to charge a fine when parents showed up late. Problem solved, right?

        Parents were tardy more often after the fine were put in place.

        The reason was that people who felt bad about their poor behavior no longer felt bad when they were compensating someone for it.

        The Swedish fans pay for tickets which support the team. The ticket prices would go up when they behave this way. But we shouldn’t assume that it would be a deterrent. They might think that because they pay higher ticket prices, they now have permission to behave poorly.

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          18 hours ago

          Fair point, but I think it could be managed with the right model. It does not have to be a flat “replace the proven material damages” fine. There could be fixed (large) fines for any kind of significant misbehavior on top the the material damages, multiplication factors can be applied to material damages and adjusted until an effect kicks in, fines can be increased with repeat offenses, …

          At some point clubs will just go bankrupt if they don’t take action against this.

          Alternatively, instead of fines give them “yellow cards” or “red cards” depending on severity and ban them from the next game(s) accordingly, counted as an automatic loss in the league or tournament. Clubs will care about that a lot, same as most parents who might not care about paying a fine will care a lot about losing their daycare spot, if only for a short time.