“Murder is bad” is not as sacrosanct an idea as it should be. In fact, historically, it was quite the opposite. Just look at the US’s traditionally sadistic murders in the name of justice, from old lynchings to the new cross-mounted “lethal injections”. Even the naming is so… Out of touch.
You’d think the cross at least would raise some eyebrows in the relevant religious community, but you’d be wrong.
There’s so many superstitions and beliefs that once had a purpose, but now do not, other than holding society back.
Koreans still think a fan will kill them, Europeans still think colonization was actually good for the colonized, and the USians still think their country is the absolutely first and best in the world, or at the veary least a 1st world nation in the development sense.
In most places, “traditionalists” claim any raped woman wasn’t actually raped, because all of them must have worn miniskrits, looked at the man seductively and secretly wanted it. In fact, she should be the one punished for raping him! And it’s always a him and her. The rest should naturally get the lethal injection treatment.
What old beliefs tend to be is held by people with a lack of critical thinking skills. Which means a bunch of it is superstitious bullshit that has little more than a tangential basis in reality. Moreover, their critical thinking skills tend to make those beliefs skew just the right way to be as disjunct from real life and as senseleness as possible even when the tangential relation with history is plainly visible.
That was about the time European countries gave up their colonies. 1960 was the African Year after all. Even before that you had the clearly not exactly liberal Bismarck arguing against German colonies for example.
The concept of rape being possible between people who are married is new to Abrahamic and Greco-Roman culture. Historically, rape is a crime against a patriarch a woman belongs to. It being possible to rape one’s wife or slaves was considered nonsense in the western world until quite recently.
And while raping women that belonged to enemies was recognized as such, it was generally considered a good thing, such as the Rape of Sabine Virgins, the Iliad (Achilles is mad because Menelaos is selfish about the rape loot table), Viking raids, etc.
There is no time in Mediterranean/European written history where the majority position is that physically abusing your wife until she has sex with you is bad until the 20th century.
Even the Rape of the Sabine Virgins and similar were seen as wrong as early as the Roman Republic. But it is certainly insane to claim that rape was not considered a crime at all. In most cases it was, unless you raped your wife.
Yeah it’s not so much that rape was not considered wrong, but that they had different conceptions of consent than we do now.
When you drive a vehicle, in most states, you consent automatically to having your blood taken by police officers. In most states, you can literally have your blood taken from you against your will. But because you agreed to have a driver’s license, according to most states, you’ve legally consented to this violation of your body.
Rape is obviously a whole different level of violation, but marital rape historically worked the exact same way we treat drunk driving blood draws today. When a woman was married, legally she was consenting to any future sexual activity her husband desired. She couldn’t withdraw her consent after. Her consent was implied through the act of marriage.
“Murder is bad” is not as sacrosanct an idea as it should be. In fact, historically, it was quite the opposite. Just look at the US’s traditionally sadistic murders in the name of justice, from old lynchings to the new cross-mounted “lethal injections”. Even the naming is so… Out of touch.
You’d think the cross at least would raise some eyebrows in the relevant religious community, but you’d be wrong.
There’s so many superstitions and beliefs that once had a purpose, but now do not, other than holding society back.
Koreans still think a fan will kill them, Europeans still think colonization was actually good for the colonized, and the USians still think their country is the absolutely first and best in the world, or at the veary least a 1st world nation in the development sense.
In most places, “traditionalists” claim any raped woman wasn’t actually raped, because all of them must have worn miniskrits, looked at the man seductively and secretly wanted it. In fact, she should be the one punished for raping him! And it’s always a him and her. The rest should naturally get the lethal injection treatment.
What old beliefs tend to be is held by people with a lack of critical thinking skills. Which means a bunch of it is superstitious bullshit that has little more than a tangential basis in reality. Moreover, their critical thinking skills tend to make those beliefs skew just the right way to be as disjunct from real life and as senseleness as possible even when the tangential relation with history is plainly visible.
and none of that is an argument to say: old believe = bad believe
Also:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103250/people-s-opinion-on-former-colonies-2019/
Rape is similar to murder widely accepted as a crime. There are obviously cases where that did not happen, but still basically everybody considers rape to be wrong.
Only 25% of Americans believe the former
Check the same statistics from 50 or 70 years ago. Current beliefs are by definition not traditional.
That was about the time European countries gave up their colonies. 1960 was the African Year after all. Even before that you had the clearly not exactly liberal Bismarck arguing against German colonies for example.
The concept of rape being possible between people who are married is new to Abrahamic and Greco-Roman culture. Historically, rape is a crime against a patriarch a woman belongs to. It being possible to rape one’s wife or slaves was considered nonsense in the western world until quite recently.
And while raping women that belonged to enemies was recognized as such, it was generally considered a good thing, such as the Rape of Sabine Virgins, the Iliad (Achilles is mad because Menelaos is selfish about the rape loot table), Viking raids, etc.
There is no time in Mediterranean/European written history where the majority position is that physically abusing your wife until she has sex with you is bad until the 20th century.
Even the Rape of the Sabine Virgins and similar were seen as wrong as early as the Roman Republic. But it is certainly insane to claim that rape was not considered a crime at all. In most cases it was, unless you raped your wife.
Yeah it’s not so much that rape was not considered wrong, but that they had different conceptions of consent than we do now.
When you drive a vehicle, in most states, you consent automatically to having your blood taken by police officers. In most states, you can literally have your blood taken from you against your will. But because you agreed to have a driver’s license, according to most states, you’ve legally consented to this violation of your body.
Rape is obviously a whole different level of violation, but marital rape historically worked the exact same way we treat drunk driving blood draws today. When a woman was married, legally she was consenting to any future sexual activity her husband desired. She couldn’t withdraw her consent after. Her consent was implied through the act of marriage.