• bss03@infosec.pub
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    2 hours ago

    Fascists and right wingers too?

    Probably. Certainly republicans, so fascism isn’t a deal-breaker for them.

    the conspiracies tend to be different

    Plenty of union members believe in the “jewish deep state”, e.g., so I don’t think the conspiracies are that different.


    I agree that freedoms can be abused. And, they can certainly be used for right-wing purposes. I also agree that there are plenty of fallacious arguments for freedom, some of which are based on conspiratorial thinking. But, fighting for freedoms of the people and restrictions on the state is always a left-wing activity.

    That said, I don’t know where the balance is or should be between solidarity and rejecting intolerance. At the moment, I’m more in favor of protecting marginalized persons by aggressively excluding intolerant people, particularly if their intolerant behavior is well-documented and they still refuse to reject and remediate it. So, I do see the fascists in open source as a problem.

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      14 minutes ago

      there are plenty of fallacious arguments for freedom, some of which are based on conspiratorial thinking.

      There are arguments for freedom based on conservativism. Ancaps also exist. Plus fascists love freedom. Their freedom, and a reeducation camp for you.

      And plenty of left-wing activism tries to leverage the state to protect minorities.

      What I’m really saying is that it’s not so one dimensional as lefty freedom vs right bootlicking. You want a nice example?

      http://dklevine.com/general/intellectual/against.htm

      This actual economics book on intellectual property, which advocates for a downsizing of IP rights (both copyright and patents) and is greatly supportive of open source. It was written two decades ago by a couple of relatively conservative Chicago neoliberal economists.

      I highly recommend it BTW, there’s very good factual research that more people should be aware of, and high quality discussion. But a lot of the arguments are based on market capitalist principles.

      I don’t know where the balance is or should be between solidarity and rejecting intolerance.

      I don’t think anyone can tell you for sure. It’s a difficult balance that needs to be constantly negotiated (even just within yourself). Very very often doing good requires evaluating trade-offs between values that are desirable but (to some extent) incompatible.