I’m curious how that kind of visual/spatial memory interacts with the inability to visualize your imagination.
in my case i can’t. in fact i can’t imagine how others even do it. can you just walk through your old school inside your imagination…?
Yep. Some corners may be fuzzy like in a dream, but basically I can take a walk in my head through any place I know well. Virtual spaces too, I can walk through Lordran from Dark Souls 1 in my head too.
that’s extremely cool
So in your brain you know your old school exists as a “fact”, but you can’t remember what it looks like? Can you verbally describe what it looked like?
i can describe it with language, but i can’t ‘see’ anything. but for example i can see a picture of a classroom and explain how it’s different from the one i used to be in.
So you know your classroom had walls and desks. You can describe them with words, but can’t imagine even a fuzzy blurry image of what it looked like visually? Can you “see” any colors or textures or anything in your memory?
i can’t visualize at all really. but when i’m physically looking at something similar to whats in my memory but with some minor differences i can tell the difference.
I know what it looks like. It just doesn’t look like a photo in my mind.
I can remember information, I just don’t see it visually. Thinking of an apartment I lived on up to 8 years ago, I remember the direction I entered from, what room came after what, how high the windows were and what kind of furniture I used to have in what position.
This is how i describe it. I can remember my dead dog - small, black, cute, foxlike tail- but i can’t picture a dog. Sitting in my living room i know where my bedroom is, what it looks like, and what’s between here and there; but i don’t ‘see’ it.
Depends on your definition of walk through. Like I can tell you at my old office I would walk in first door, scan badge, walk into lobby, head to the right(saying hi to receptionist and security guard) badge into office area, walk past first group of cubicles on right side, mail room on left, walk past hallway with copier, walk past hallway with bathrooms, in second group of cubicles walk past first 4 cubicles and the 5th one was mine.
I can’t visualize any of it. I know it and can describe it. I could even give the names of people in each of the cubicles I walked past. I just can’t “see” it. It’s like reading a book vs watching a movie.
Picturing mechanical processes like how a robot works or how a milling machine works I can kinda just walk through the math and programming. I can say it moves in z- for 1 inch, rotating for 1. 5 inches diameter at 250 rpm then raises z+ for 1 inch, moves in x+ for 3 inches and repeats for 5 times. No idea what it looks like but I can walk through the math and kinda read the code in my head for how to do that.
I used to think I had aphantasia, but after starting ADHD medications I’ve found my ability to recall visually has improved. I now can walk-through a place visually, though not at all clearly. My ability of recall has improved in every domain overall. Prior I only had access to abstractions, mainly relationships. Recalling words to describe those relationships could be difficult, even if I knew the word. The recall function would just fail, causing great difficulty communicating verbally.
I would hasten to add that I don’t definitely have the condition named ADHD–there is no definitive diagnostic tool and doctors have expressed concerns of autism. I’ve been subjected to traumatic brain injuries too, with one leaving me temporally blind. This leaves me doubtful of being a natural example of a developed ADHD human (one not intentionally harmed and allowed to develop optimally), but of a human that has received multiple traumatic brain injuries expressing qualities of a ADHD inflicted human.
I’m aware of a condition informally named sledhead: a condition that occurs in bobsled operators (drivers?) that induces depression and often leads to suicide. I have a pet-theory that the vibrations in motor-vehicles do cause minor brain injuries as those found in the more extreme environment of bobsled racing, only differing in scale. I wouldn’t be surprised if time-spent inside motor-vehicles–especially poorly maintained ones that exhibit more intense-vibrations–correlates with poorer health outcomes overall.
It would be of interest to me if anyone were aware of research that describes links between mental-imagery, autism, brain-damage, ADHD and stimulants. It’s my impression that aphantasia is an expression of a deficiency in the human-brain.
I am able to “visualize” the spatial distance between objects. I put it in quotes because it’s generally blurry 2D lines (top down, like a schematic) or purely based on the relationship between those objects (i.e., I don’t “see” anything, it’s based on memory and spatial awareness of an environment I experienced using all of my senses).
These “visuals” are static and can’t really be manipulated in any way except to zoom in or rotate a little, maybe 45 degrees max. This is also why, during reasoning assessments for jobs, I take forever to answer those questions where they show you a shape, then disassemble the shape and ask you to select which set of faces it’s based on. It’s excruciating.
In real life I don’t have much of a problem; in fact, I have an excellent sense of direction that my wife envies because she’s the opposite (great mental visualisation and vivid dreams, but no idea where she is most times).
I can sometimes get a wireframe image of a general shape like that - not solid, no color or details.
Let’s use a cube as an example.
I can tell you roughly how large it is, if its rotating and roughly how fast. I “visualize” absolutely nothing. Not even a vague outline.
Yes, but not visually. Which is to say, if I’m sitting in a room, looking at a wall, and then close my eyes, I still have a sense of where that wall is in relation to me, despite no longer being able to see it. I can navigate through a mental space “spatially” in the same way, with a sense of my own imaginary presence and its spatial relation to the memory of the place I’m moving through.
Interestingly, I can also do it with objects and animals. So despite not being able to visualise a horse, I can conjure up a mental spatial map with me and the horse in it that lets me “know” our relative sizes and locations. I can move it all around as well, and still feel “where” everything is, without seeing any of it
I have a complete lack of visual mental imagery. That doesn’t mean I can’t remember building layouts though. I just don’t recall them visually.
No. I understand what the layout should be like, and which way to turn to do certain things. But I can’t, for example, remember the color of the walls, or have a good feel for how big the space was, or actually imagine it visually in any way. All of the points are just information. I know that there are pictures on the left wall, but I don’t remember and can’t visualize where on the wall they are, what height or how many there are, etc.
Yes. I have a good spatial thinking and memory. I know where I’ve seen my glasses last, I just can’t visualise it.
I delivered packages for the postal service one summer during studies. It took me two weeks to memorize all the streets of the town I had moved to two years prior.
I prefer to do my 3D modelling in OpenSCAD because 2D visualizations are harder to work with than math & code.
I spent some more time thinking about this. Me and a group of friends spent way too many years playing a MUD game back in the 90s. Some would jot down maps of areas.
I didn’t find maps particularly helpful, but I guess I felt like the rooms had a direction and would navigate by that. I could probably still find my way around there. I’d describe it like a vector database.
I “see” blurry shapes and muted colors sometimes, like a game with low quality hallucinated textures that fade quickly. If i think about it, it’s more like a sense of direction, distance, and scale. I feel turning left or zooming out for a better perspective.
If I move my focus to the middle space and blink really quickly I can overlay virtualizations onto reality. That includes any memory I have of an area.
