The terms “blindingly obvious,” “logical consequence,” and “that is not how it works” appear nowhere in the government handbook of internet legislation. In particular, the discovery that imposing age access controls on websites has pushed users to VPNs has come as a huge surprise to legislators in the UK, the EU, Canada, and Australia. Nobody here knows how old VPN users are, be they kids unwilling to lose access or adults unwilling to disgorge personally identifying data to who knows what.

As they recover from this shocking discovery, these fine people are looking at ways to control VPNs, whether by adding age verification here too or by some magical “digital age of consent” technology that somehow evades the paradox that demanding more personal information in the name of safety itself reduces safety. Yet here, as in so many ways, the rest of the world is lagging behind America – more specifically, the great state of Utah, which has just enacted an anti-VPN law.

This law makes it compulsory for any site that the state says needs age verification – porn, basically – to impose those checks on anyone physically in Utah whether or not they are using any VPN. Those would be the same VPNs whose sole purpose is to prevent the geolocation of their users. Which would seem, and is, another paradox.

I’d not go online without a VPN. There’s absolutely no reason my ISP needs my browsing history. And at about $6/month, it’s not exactly breaking the bank.

What I’d not use is any VPN provider that sponsors YouTube content. A free VPN has to make their money from somewhere.

  • LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 hours ago

    Realistically…. How many kids (under 18 in the US) are using vpns for porn? Like this is definitely just another ‘think of the children!’ Deflection to pass horrible spy policy.

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    Just need to tell Utah to go fuck themselves. If you don’t operate somewhere you don’t need to respect their laws. The fuck are they going to do about it? Got no property there for them to take action against.

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    3 hours ago

    I’ve noticed a sudden spike in the number of websites that send me into a Cloudflare spiral whenever I have my VPN active. I think we might see this happening on a lot more sites soon, unfortunately.

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    There’s absolutely no reason my ISP needs my browsing history.

    Don’t know what ISP you have or what VPN you’re using, but it’s just a transfer of trust. Whoever your VPN provider is, they now see everything your ISP previously saw. I host my own VPN servers when I need one, and even then I still have to trust the datacenter operators to not snoop on my DNS requests (almost everything else tends to be encrypted with SSL/TLS by default nowadays)

    Also, the “Private” in VPN is about it being for private use, not about privacy

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      2 hours ago

      almost everything else tends to be encrypted with SSL/TLS by default nowadays

      FYI DNS supports DNS-over-HTTPS. You still need to trust the DNS server, but you can run one yourself at least if you’re worried about it.

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      4 hours ago

      I mean, I’m using Mullvad. I don’t have the hardware to host my own VPN in a van, so this is my best approach. Could I host Wireguard locally? Sure. With access to alternating-current power.

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        2 hours ago

        When I said I host my own, I mean on cheap VPS that cost me way less than 6$/month.

        But yeah, mullvad is pretty much the only commercial VPN provider I’d trust more than my ISP

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          1 hour ago

          I would counter that I’m saving $1,500 a month by living in a van. As a cost, the VPN is a rounding error.