Let’s take care of some housekeeping first, since I’m not going to goaded into continuing a variety of conversation chains. It is not my democracy. If you’re eligible to vote in California it is our democracy. I didn’t make it or choose it any more than you did. We live in the same country and are bound by the same government with the same system.

Moving on to the comment this one replies to…

I just can’t help but see people say shit like you and be disgusted by it and every now and then I will call one of you out and you all react the same way.

Is it because you’re using the same arguments each time? There’s a common phrase about the definition of insanity you may want to look up if so.

You can’t actually tell me what your “good work fighting for Real Change I Can Affect ™”

Ah, a common tactic. You’re uncomfortable with the direction the conversation has been taking so you’re trying to shift focus to me. That’s one problem. See it wasn’t on me to tell you what that is, I asked you what ideas you had that would be feasible. You haven’t done that. This whole conversation isn’t about me or what I do. Realistically I doubt you would believe me if I told you as you seem to have presupposed a lot about me already.

or in other words useless electoral politics once every four years, has accomplished MATERIALLY.

I definitely can’t tell you a thing when you continue to refuse to define how you’re using a term, caps regardless. Materially has a few different definitions but at its core it’s generally “of value”. That’s the general idea I assumed in the first place and provided you things accordingly. You dismissed them and did not elaborate, only stressed words.

And I am sure you are a good voter that makes Informed Decisions. Maybe you even vote in primaries. Great! If so I applaud you

Thanks! I bet that was hard for you to say.

you are on the path to learning how futile bourgeois electoralism is

Ah, no, see I did that a long time ago. The thing is there’s not one path through any part of life. Just because you have dismissed a way of thinking you now attribute to me doesn’t mean that you’re ahead somehow.

It’s also amusing you keep reusing the same big words, but I digress.

(which based on your response I doubt) or (and I feel this seems more likely based on the evidence available) you just don’t have any fuckin skin in the game and feel comfortable smugly trying to shame people into supporting someone

The only thing I tried to shame you for was being a liar. You said Biden could earn your vote and later said you’d never vote for him. You said an untrue thing, that makes you a liar.

that actively hates them and seeks to destroy their communities and movements through actions no matter his words.

Which actions?

Biden wants us fucking dead, indigenous people, communists, LGBTQ people, immigrants, etc.

The man is a sex pest, a segregationist, and a genocidal imperialist.

You’re thinking of the other guy. It’s true Biden did some shitty things in his too long career in government but dollars to donuts you’re a different person today than you were 20 years ago. That doesn’t excuse shitty behavior, but it makes a lot more sense to judge someone based on their current action when they don’t agree with the ones of the past, wouldn’t you agree?

And none of that is to indicate there’s no problems with Biden as that’s simply untrue. I get the impression you think I’m some kind of big Biden booster. That’s silly.

If you can’t see how twisted it is to beg people to vote for that man

Where did I beg anyone to vote for him? You said you’d vote for him under certain circumstances, I exposed that those circumstances exist under my understanding of your continually undefined terminology.

instead of demanding better from the so-called “lesser evil”

What have I done in my life to demand better? Do you know? Of course not! You’ve exchanged a couple messages with me. You have no idea what efforts I’ve made to demand better, or continue to make. Just because I don’t think taking my ball and going home instead of participating in whatever minimal way I have is one doesn’t mean I’ve done nothing.

You also listed the fact he increased funding for fascist police who protect the fascists attacking drag shows etc.

Nope. I may have listed a bill that included such things, but you can see my reasons for listing them in my comment. You are aware that political action in our broken, corrupt system often includes shit with important, useful things, right?

So if you actually cared about vulnerable groups in the US you would be threatening to withhold your vote too

Because if I think a thing, or feel a thing important the only possible action is the one you do? If your vote doesn’t matter what is withholding it going to do?

but as I said you have no skin in the game

You did, again without knowledge of me or what so called skin I may have in the proverbial game.

your politics is purely vibes based and idealist.

More assumptions about me.

Demanding people that are actually laying their lives on the line to actually FIGHT for the things you profess to care about

What demands have I made? What fights have I fought?

vote for a man that would sooner have them dead than capitulate with our demands

Based on what?

you display a stunning amount of privilege and lack of ever having risked anything yourself for REAL change.

I don’t know that the amount of privilege I have is “stunning”. Extant definitely but hardly stunning.

And again you assume I’ve never risked anything for any real change. You assume this based on a few paragraphs of text.

Please tell my friends on the reservations, or my friends living in their cars, or the ones getting arrested for speaking out against US support for genocide, or being brutalized for protesting pipeline constructions, or protesting against bigger more robust training facilities

Fun fact, if I were your friend (and so far I think I’m pretty happy I’m not) I’d have been eligible to be on that list in the past. Hell, there was a time in my life that being in one of those categories would have been an improvement for me.

But that probably doesn’t fit well with the image of me you’ve created for yourself. Maybe you’ll insist I’m lying.

to put down said movements

Why would I do that? Wait, do you think people who vote all just collectively dust off their hands and go “I did my part, time to get back to the business factory and ignore any other problems in the world”?

tell all those people how they have to vote for Joe Biden, go tell it to their face and come back to me.

Why? There’s probably a few of them that already did and may again. If you act with them the way you do here I definitely wouldn’t fault them for not telling you. If they don’t that’s their business. I think it’s a bit short sighted, but I’m not campaigning for the guy. You said some stupid shit and I called you out on it. The rest of this has just been absurdity.

Wake up. People are dying RIGHT NOW WHILE BIDEN IS PRESIDENT.

Italics and bold are right there, your caps are tiresome.

Yes, people are dying right now. They will be dying next year and the year after. If we all installed your idea of the best possible option as a president they’d die under them too. Some of them would even be that person’s fault.

This is part of why you get the same things back all the time. You have rhetoric full of youthful idealism. Maybe you’re youthful, maybe you’re not. That doesn’t really matter.

The point is the world is a flawed, fucked up mess. It’s full of imperfect people, many of which more interested in their own advancement than the well being of others. This time next year either a Democrat or a Republican will be elected as the president for 2025-2029. If it’s a Democrat things will be somewhat less shitty for a lot the people you want to think I don’t care about. That’s demonstrable for quite a while. Back to Reagan at least.

What you don’t seem to get is that I can help the ones I have access to, but have very little I can do for all the rest. What I can do is a mostly symbolic but in an unlikely but not impossible scenario incredibly useful effort to put a president that might do any amount of good for them.

You’ve also got it twisted. By and large Democrats don’t care about a very large part of the population, sure, but they’re not actively seeking to kill them. That’s the Republicans. They die through inaction or blocked action.

You, however, are playing right into the hands of the Republicans. Attacking those who would be your allies. It’s just like the people who complain that a higher minimum wage would mean unskilled laborers would make too close to what they make, not understanding they aren’t fairly paid either.

Instead you try to drag me to a different post where you think you’ll have back up by putting words into my mouth and assigning me positions that I don’t hold. Even if you had followed your own instances rules and it hadn’t been taken down it wouldn’t have worked. I’m not interested in debating you or anyone “dunking” on anyone else. You made a statement and I called you on it. You were a liar and I pointed it out. If you don’t like it, don’t lie. Fuck, a “Maybe” at the front of a statement and this whole exchange may never have happened and I might not know you’re the kind of person to call someone a “fucking coward” because they went to sleep instead of hanging around to have a pointless conversation.

And it has been pointless. I’m not going to continue after this as I’ve found nothing of value in it, and I sincerely doubt you have either.

But you really should.