Elections aren’t going to fix everything, not even close. But I think it is an important part of a complete strategy. Getting voters basically comes free with building community and messaging anyway, no reason not to vote a few of your guys into power to run interference on any substantial attempts to crackdown on the main work you are doing.
People who say not to vote are either idiots or conservative trolls wearing masks
People who say not to vote are either idiots or conservative trolls wearing masks
One of the most successful anarchists projects, revolutionary Catalonia, was done by people that actively campained for voting boycotts. Calling those people idiots in an anarchist community is a choice. But its also concerning to me that this comment is the most upvoted currently…
This is like looking at a red car smashing itself flat into a wall and thinking that if only you paint your car red you can go that fast too (nevermind the crash). Perhaps you should focus less on the red paint (taking civilian government positions by force rather than election) and more on dismantling the wall before you get going (dismantling the fascists’ power) so you don’t crash (battle of ebro).
But it has everything to do with Catalonia! Because that is what they did. It was quite successful for a few years. It is unfortunate that it didn’t last longer.
The analogy isn’t that important if you don’t get it, basically I’m arguing that Catalonia was cool but it wasn’t flawless and if you try to perfectly replicate an autonomous state that was crushed within 3 years then you will also be crushed in 3 years or so.
Still not agrreing with calling those people idiots, but i get where you are coming from. Of course we should learn from the past, we shouldnt repeat unnecessary mistakes
With the knowledge they had at the time I don’t know if I would call them idiots, I’m not enough of a historian to know. In modern times though I think it is clear that you should vote too. Abstaining from voting gets you nothing.
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Elections aren’t going to fix everything, not even close. But I think it is an important part of a complete strategy. Getting voters basically comes free with building community and messaging anyway, no reason not to vote a few of your guys into power to run interference on any substantial attempts to crackdown on the main work you are doing.
People who say not to vote are either idiots or conservative trolls wearing masks
One of the most successful anarchists projects, revolutionary Catalonia, was done by people that actively campained for voting boycotts. Calling those people idiots in an anarchist community is a choice. But its also concerning to me that this comment is the most upvoted currently…
This is like looking at a red car smashing itself flat into a wall and thinking that if only you paint your car red you can go that fast too (nevermind the crash). Perhaps you should focus less on the red paint (taking civilian government positions by force rather than election) and more on dismantling the wall before you get going (dismantling the fascists’ power) so you don’t crash (battle of ebro).
Yeah sorry your analogy doesnt make any sense to me.
Also
This has nothing to do with anarchism
But it has everything to do with Catalonia! Because that is what they did. It was quite successful for a few years. It is unfortunate that it didn’t last longer.
The analogy isn’t that important if you don’t get it, basically I’m arguing that Catalonia was cool but it wasn’t flawless and if you try to perfectly replicate an autonomous state that was crushed within 3 years then you will also be crushed in 3 years or so.
Still not agrreing with calling those people idiots, but i get where you are coming from. Of course we should learn from the past, we shouldnt repeat unnecessary mistakes
With the knowledge they had at the time I don’t know if I would call them idiots, I’m not enough of a historian to know. In modern times though I think it is clear that you should vote too. Abstaining from voting gets you nothing.