I’m sorry about that, i didn’t intend it to be heavy, more like just a light discussion or sharing worldviews/perspectives and pointing out flaws in reasoning.
Yes, during the first summer when covid started. I had quit smoking a few years before that, but got a bit carried away with alcohol afterwards and quitting it cold turkey did trigger a major depression. Tried therapy at that point as it did got debilitating enough and that’s when i got rediagnosed with ADHD and ASD added in as well. Primarily focused on ADHD treatment, but as it all had to come out of my own pocket and locally available meds were completely useless then i pretty much gave up on that after around half a year.
Depression slowly faded away during that time.
I haven’t really tought about trying again, primarily because any sort of therapy is even more expensive now if going for private clinics, though more available and nearly impossible to get an appointment if going for the socialized healthcare route.
So basically there aren’t any serious enough or debilitating issues to justify financial and time cost associated with therapy or what i already can’t handle myself.
I do agree with the losing point and outside of work I don’t really talk to them, but we all work in the same place so coming into daily contact is kinda inevitable.
I thought that I could also handle everything myself without medication and now I look back and think that was a completely foolish stance to have. It’s important as you age to constantly reevaluate your baseline assumptions and try to do things that will challenge or unseat them.
As I don’t know exactly which medical system you’re dealing with, I can’t really talk about the specific pitfalls but rather just the overarching narrative that because it didn’t work out once isn’t a reason to give up. Let us not forget that Michael Jordan didn’t successfully get onto his high school basketball team. He failed the tryouts. If he had just assumed that maybe he wasn’t cut out for basketball or that all basketball coaches are assholes and not worth talking to he would not stand today as the greatest basketball player of all time and arguably the most legendary athlete of all time.
One of the most important attributes you can cultivate inside yourself is a resilience to discouragement. People that enjoy life and experience happiness at the most true level are people that do not find failure or shortcomings extremely discouraging. They tend to laugh and be like haha. Well I guess that didn’t work out super well and then they roll up their sleeves and try something else. By the way, I’m using voice to text to do all of this. So weird. Sentence stops tends to be one of the issues and I really am tired of going back and editing them for easy reading. So please just deal with the bizarre sentence structure.
Good point and i do agree. Baseline assumptions should be revaluated from time to time, usually in the light of new information. That’s the main reason I’m regularly having these discussions. Sadly i still am a human not a supercomputer and i can miss details/some information and I’m prone to biases.
I’m in Eastern Europe, we have kinda double layerd system.
Free universal healthcare, but that’s really underfunded so only the basics work for emergencies.
Private healthcare which is just really expensive with minimal aid form insurance companies for the actually necessary services.
I haven’t given up on therapy, just the main issue that pushed me to it dissipated over time and I’ve dealt with ADHD for my whole life and developed good enough and by now even healthier coping methods for it than before.
ASD side is newer one but I’m slowly, over the years, exploring what aspects of my mind are effected by that side. Social and emotional side seems to be most effected.
Of course if financial and time situation improves over time, i will likely try therapy out again, even if just for experimenting and testing out my taught patterns.
No worries about the sentence structure. It’s completely understandable.
I appreciate that, but I definitely recommend a psychiatrist visit over a therapist because for anything that’s actually clinically diagnosable there may be forms of medication that are extremely helpful. Especially if your condition has any neurochemical impact. I made the switch some months ago and it has been remarkable. Obviously getting healthcare is always a luxury in many parts of the world, so I won’t assume that that’s an easy reach for you. I think as men which I’m assuming you are, we generally are raised to try in self-care and adjust and figure ourselves out at a rate that is much higher than what is told to women. And I definitely come from that like Uber masculine background and what I’ve learned is that almost everything I was taught was wrong. So I’ve spent a long time reevaluating who I am, what I like, what I care about, how I deal with things. How should I approach things and that has really had a huge impact for me.
Yeah, usual pattern is to first go to psychologist. Who does all the talking and diagnosing and then getting diverted to psychotherapists who finalizes the diagnosis and starts any medication regime.
Yes you’re right about that. Being a guy and growing up with strong remnants of stereotypical gender roles with the most common advice since childhood being to “STFU and man up” isn’t the most beneficial for good mental health development. Though i have improved over the years and even come to acknowledgment that mental health and emotions do actually exist for guys as well.
Back in teenage years/early adulthood i did consider those to be just a different branch of astrology.
I’m sorry about that, i didn’t intend it to be heavy, more like just a light discussion or sharing worldviews/perspectives and pointing out flaws in reasoning.
Yes, during the first summer when covid started. I had quit smoking a few years before that, but got a bit carried away with alcohol afterwards and quitting it cold turkey did trigger a major depression. Tried therapy at that point as it did got debilitating enough and that’s when i got rediagnosed with ADHD and ASD added in as well. Primarily focused on ADHD treatment, but as it all had to come out of my own pocket and locally available meds were completely useless then i pretty much gave up on that after around half a year. Depression slowly faded away during that time.
I haven’t really tought about trying again, primarily because any sort of therapy is even more expensive now if going for private clinics, though more available and nearly impossible to get an appointment if going for the socialized healthcare route.
So basically there aren’t any serious enough or debilitating issues to justify financial and time cost associated with therapy or what i already can’t handle myself.
I do agree with the losing point and outside of work I don’t really talk to them, but we all work in the same place so coming into daily contact is kinda inevitable.
I thought that I could also handle everything myself without medication and now I look back and think that was a completely foolish stance to have. It’s important as you age to constantly reevaluate your baseline assumptions and try to do things that will challenge or unseat them.
As I don’t know exactly which medical system you’re dealing with, I can’t really talk about the specific pitfalls but rather just the overarching narrative that because it didn’t work out once isn’t a reason to give up. Let us not forget that Michael Jordan didn’t successfully get onto his high school basketball team. He failed the tryouts. If he had just assumed that maybe he wasn’t cut out for basketball or that all basketball coaches are assholes and not worth talking to he would not stand today as the greatest basketball player of all time and arguably the most legendary athlete of all time.
One of the most important attributes you can cultivate inside yourself is a resilience to discouragement. People that enjoy life and experience happiness at the most true level are people that do not find failure or shortcomings extremely discouraging. They tend to laugh and be like haha. Well I guess that didn’t work out super well and then they roll up their sleeves and try something else. By the way, I’m using voice to text to do all of this. So weird. Sentence stops tends to be one of the issues and I really am tired of going back and editing them for easy reading. So please just deal with the bizarre sentence structure.
Good point and i do agree. Baseline assumptions should be revaluated from time to time, usually in the light of new information. That’s the main reason I’m regularly having these discussions. Sadly i still am a human not a supercomputer and i can miss details/some information and I’m prone to biases.
I’m in Eastern Europe, we have kinda double layerd system.
Free universal healthcare, but that’s really underfunded so only the basics work for emergencies.
Private healthcare which is just really expensive with minimal aid form insurance companies for the actually necessary services.
I haven’t given up on therapy, just the main issue that pushed me to it dissipated over time and I’ve dealt with ADHD for my whole life and developed good enough and by now even healthier coping methods for it than before. ASD side is newer one but I’m slowly, over the years, exploring what aspects of my mind are effected by that side. Social and emotional side seems to be most effected. Of course if financial and time situation improves over time, i will likely try therapy out again, even if just for experimenting and testing out my taught patterns.
No worries about the sentence structure. It’s completely understandable.
I appreciate that, but I definitely recommend a psychiatrist visit over a therapist because for anything that’s actually clinically diagnosable there may be forms of medication that are extremely helpful. Especially if your condition has any neurochemical impact. I made the switch some months ago and it has been remarkable. Obviously getting healthcare is always a luxury in many parts of the world, so I won’t assume that that’s an easy reach for you. I think as men which I’m assuming you are, we generally are raised to try in self-care and adjust and figure ourselves out at a rate that is much higher than what is told to women. And I definitely come from that like Uber masculine background and what I’ve learned is that almost everything I was taught was wrong. So I’ve spent a long time reevaluating who I am, what I like, what I care about, how I deal with things. How should I approach things and that has really had a huge impact for me.
Yeah, usual pattern is to first go to psychologist. Who does all the talking and diagnosing and then getting diverted to psychotherapists who finalizes the diagnosis and starts any medication regime.
Yes you’re right about that. Being a guy and growing up with strong remnants of stereotypical gender roles with the most common advice since childhood being to “STFU and man up” isn’t the most beneficial for good mental health development. Though i have improved over the years and even come to acknowledgment that mental health and emotions do actually exist for guys as well. Back in teenage years/early adulthood i did consider those to be just a different branch of astrology.