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I don’t want to hear about how your Wehrmacht soldiers are just following orders. Fuck the US Army and fuck the troops, too. Death to AmeriKKKa, death to “Israel”, death to the west.
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More patriotic corpses for the blood magic god & his shareholders
If they wanted to live, they shouldn’t have signed up to kill people for the empire. Instead of following orders, they can refuse them. Yankee nationalists cry about it in the comments.
If they wanted to live, they shouldn’t have signed up to kill people for the empire. Instead of following orders, they can refuse them.
Guess at least it’s good to see there isn’t any difference between Americans and Russians after all.
The difference is that Russia isn’t trying to control the entire world. Hence “the empire”.
Edit: America is the primary source of suffering in the world, along with its allies. I don’t really care about Russia and bringing it up is a weak deflection.
The only conflict that matters is the class conflict. Everything else is a distraction. Eat the rich.
This is phrasemongering class reductionism. The principle contradiction in the world right now is imperialism, which the US Empire is at the head of.
I’m not disagreeing with the opinion that imperialism is one of the biggest large-scale problems facing humanity, and that the US is the current worst offender.
I’m just pointing out that at the root of imperialism are a few powerful people attempting to rule over the rest of us. Tech-feudalism in the digital world is another huge problem, as is the rise of fascism. And they all come from class warfare, at least in my humble opinion.
But I am also not pretending to be as informed on history and current events as many other here, and I am no attempting to lecture anyone as if I know better. That would just be decisive and counterproductive.
The roots of imperialism are in the monopoly stage of capitalism. It isn’t because a few bad individuals exist, it’s a material process.
Great slogan unfortunately not how it works in the modern reality of imperialism and neocolonialism, the class struggle can only truly begin after the premier contradiction of national liberation has been resolved.
The struggle against imperialism and neocolonism is class struggle.
On one side is the international bourgeoise and national bourgeoises (of many countries), on the other side is the national bourgeoise (of some countries), the proletariat, peasantry and indigenous populations.
(The class conflict is most complicated than that but I’m just making a point)
I appreciate the clarification, but the framing still conflates two distinct phases of struggle. My original point wasn’t that anti-imperialism exists outside class analysis, but that in neo-colonial conditions, the form class struggle takes must be strategically sequenced. The slogan “eat the rich” implies an immediate, undifferentiated domestic class war, which in practice fractures the broad coalition needed to first break imperialist domination. When foreign capital, military bases, and debt traps dictate a nation’s political economy, the principal contradiction lies between the oppressed nation and international imperialism, not yet between the domestic proletariat and the national bourgeoisie who may also be constrained by that same imperialist structure.
“In any complex process there are many contradictions, and of necessity one of them is the principal contradiction which plays the leading and decisive role, while the rest occupy a secondary and subordinate position.”
This is why popular fronts with patriotic sections of the national bourgeoisie are a, but a materialist application of class politics. As Chairman Mao argued in On the Policy of the Chinese Communist Party in the Anti-Japanese United Front,
“We must unite with all the classes, strata, political parties, groups and individuals that can possibly be united in the anti-imperialist struggle.”
This is a tactical necessity to isolate the primary enemy. To elevate the domestic “rich” as the immediate target while imperialist powers actively undermine sovereignty is to misidentify the principal contradiction and risk strengthening the external oppressor.
The enemy of our enemy is our friend, the national bourgeoisie, when objectively opposed to imperialist control, can be a conditional ally in the first stage of revolution.
Only after national liberation is secured (when the external fetters are broken and the people control their own state apparatus) can the internal class struggle proceed to its decisive phase. At that point, the proletariat, having built its strength and consciousness through the anti-imperialist struggle, can confront domestic exploiting classes without the distortion of foreign interference. As Chairman Mao put it in On New Democracy,
“The Chinese revolution must be divided into two steps: the first is to change the colonial, semi-colonial and semi-feudal society into an independent, democratic society; the second is to carry the revolution forward to establish a socialist society.”
My original point wasn’t that anti-imperialism exists outside class analysis, but that in neo-colonial conditions, the form class struggle takes must be strategically sequenced.
Absolutely. Even outside of neo-colonial conditions I would argue this. Revolution is not a one and done deal, nor can any class afford to fight a war on all fronts against everyone at once.
This is a tactical necessity to isolate the primary enemy. To elevate the domestic “rich” as the immediate target while imperialist powers actively undermine sovereignty is to misidentify the principal contradiction and risk strengthening the external oppressor.
Not only that, but “rich” is a poor term that cannot be properly defined. The proletariat must be clear that the class boundaries lie in the ownership of industrial and mercantile/financial capital, not in some tax bracket.
However, there is a situation in which it makes sense for the loser classes to depose the upper classes even under colonial conditions. That’s if the national ruling class is too incompetent or collaborationist. I believe the overthrowing of the Qing dynasty can be such an example. Of course, this does not apply to modern day Iran.
I agree, I just like to remind people what the end goal is.
True. But class comes is not a binary.
It’s crazy to cry about a school full of Iranian kids getting blown up but laugh at a base of 28 year olds trying to escape poverty who are going through the same thing. Did we also magically forget about Iran killing all those protesters? You all are so divided and engrossed by political parties that you refuse to see the human aspect of this shit.
Getting desert storm v2 before GTA 6 btw
cry about a school full of Iranian kids getting blown up but laugh at a base of 28 year olds trying to escape poverty who are going through the same thing
Yes. People are more sympathetic toward LITERAL CHILDREN than 28 year olds who signed up to be a soldier and HELPED CARRY OUT the murder of said children. You figured out basic human emotion and empathy, congrats.
Its isnt crazy at all, some are innocent kids and the other signed up to rape and kill them for money
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This reads like satire, how are you for real
It’s crazy to cry about a school full of Iranian kids getting blown up but laugh at a base of 28 year olds trying to escape poverty who are going through the same thing.
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It’s crazy to cry about a school full of Iranian kids getting blown up but laugh at a base of 28 year olds trying to escape poverty who are going through the same thing
Soldiers in a foreign country getting bombed is not the same as students getting bombed. The US doesn’t even have a draft, they chose to participate in a war of choice.
Did we also magically forget about Iran killing all those protesters?
A reputable non-western source please.
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Have you ever met soldiers? They’re literally just normal people. Saying they chose war is like saying that a coal miner choose to get black lung.
War is literally the purpose of being a soldier. The purpose of coal miners is to get coal out of the ground.
You do realize that Iraq and Iran are not the same country, right?
Whoops fixed it. Thanks
It’s hilarious when you tankies from the west, sit in your western built basements, raging about the west on your western tech…just move. I’ll buy you the plane ticket, russia is dying for people to move there. You and cowbee both.
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We’re just exercising Western freedom of speech.
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Russia’s not socialist. Either you still think Russia is the USSR or you’re insinuating every socialist is apparently a Russian shill.
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This might surprise you, but immigrating to socialist countries like China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc from the West is not as simple “just buy a plane ticket there.” They’re not exactly crazy about a bunch of Westerners moving there after all the West has done to them. You don’t get to “just move” to whatever country you want, you have engage with their immigration system, get a visa, get a work permit, etc etc, you know, the same things immigrants to the West need to do.
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Even if you do all that, you’re still not entitled to immigrate to a country just because you want to or because you ideologically align with them. You generally need to have a skill that the country you’re immigrating to has a demand for and can’t fill with its own population before they’ll let you move there, you know, exactly like how immigration to the West works. I’m sure there are MANY people here that would love to live in a socialist country. Physically being able to go there is not the barrier for them.
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It’s hilarious when you neoliberals of lemmy, post on your communist-built platform, raging about communists on our communist instance… just move. I’ll send you the URL, reddit is dying for people to move there. You and SatansMaggotyCumFarts both.
I’ll take you up on that. A ticket to Scotland is much cheaper and I can get citizenship there. Put up or shut up, get me out of this stupid fucking country and I’ll stay gone. We both win.
It seems this thought-terminating false dilemma is evergreen
Don’t have a basement, but either way it’s more and more obvious that the only path forward for humanity in general and the people living in the US Empire in particular is global socialism. To make that happen, the US Empire needs to fall, and ideally a socialist state needs to take its place. This is the number 1 historical task for the working classes in the imperial core.
That said, my spouse and I have considered the possibility of moving to the PRC eventually, but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards right now.
I don’t blame anyone for trying to get out. When I was younger, I always thought I’d get out at the first sign of trouble, but now that I’m older, I’ve realized I can’t bring myself to. Even if I could escape, I’d be leaving friends and family at the mercy of whatever comes next. I don’t know that I’ll survive the next couple of decades, but I’m trying to make peace with it.
And you think china is a socialist utopia… again, I’ll buy you a plane ticket. It sounds like they’ll take care of you just fine since western nations are just shit holes.
China’s certainly a socialist country, but not a utopia. I really don’t think you know what you’re talking about, every word you say seems to be against a strawman.
No one’s calling it a utopia but you, over and over again.
western tech
Made in China
You criticise society yet you participate in it curious
Was your brain surgically removed as a child?
Ruzzia
Why did you pick Russia over China, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK? Russia isn’t socialist and there is critical support for them at best.
Also preempting this I am Chinese, I live in a Chinese built house, typing on a Chinese phone, does that make my criticism of the genocidal imperialist Euro-Amerikan empire more valid?
Made in China
Yep, kinda sounds like your utopia abuses it’s people…
Was your brain surgically removed as a child?
I’m not the one who spouts bullshit propaganda all day long.
Why did you pick Russia over China, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK? Russia isn’t socialist and there is critical support for them at best.
Lol just giving you options. You’re more than welcome to ask for a DPRK ticket as well… I’m sure they’ll give you a ticket to die in a meat way in Ukraine.
Also preempting this I am Chinese, I live in a Chinese built house, typing on a Chinese phone, does that make my criticism of the genocidal imperialist Euro-Amerikan empire more valid?
Nope, just makes it even more hilarious because you’re still here in the west when it sounds like you can naturally move back to the warm welcome of the CCP.
Nope, just makes it even more hilarious because you’re still here in the west
Dumbest person alive
Nope, just makes it even more hilarious because you’re still here in the west when it sounds like you can naturally move back to the warm welcome of the CCP.
I’m in China dipshit what part of Chinese made house did you not understand.
I’m not the one who spouts bullshit propaganda all day long.
Actually lmao one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while.
Yep, kinda sounds like your utopia abuses it’s people…
It was so abusive when the government eradicated poverty, invested hugely in a world class public transport system, electrified and modernised rural villages.
You don’t know shit and should shut the fuck up. Chauvinist ass crackkker. Can’t wait to piss on your empires grave when you return to being a serf to your pedo overlords. 🤣 👉
I’m in China dipshit what part of Chinese made house did you not understand.
The funniest thing about these types of people is that they’re so completely unable to conceptualize the existence of people outside “the west” that you can tell them “I’m Chinese and I live in a Chinese house” and they will still insist you’re “in the west”.
“silly westerner, thinking their house is made in China!” - that person probably
Thank you for listening to me when I said “Yankee nationalists cry about it in the comments”, that was very polite of you.
Sure thing, so you want that ticket?
the lib got scratched
Lol
I own very little, but it’s all made in China or locally. And yes, if I was living in the core and able to move, I probably would move.
Alhamdulilah I am not in the West. My car is Chinese, my laptop is Chinese and my phone is Chinese.
