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For what. Thats a lot of effort for a small userbase. And most importantly a userbase that doesn’t see Google ads. Custom hardware is expensive and doesn’t provide much additional data for most users and provides unprofitable data for degoogled phones.
Google doesnt spy on us just because they are evil. They spy on us to sell more expensive targeted ads.
I think you might be right, but it’s a little silly to think Google would only install spyware on a tiny fraction of their phones that they somehow had a premonition that GrapheneOS would be installed on.
What they’re saying is that the GOS user base is the difference. The vast majority of users can be spied upon with software alone, no need for hardware. So it’s not worth the effort for so little payoff.
Well, the alternative ROM scene has been active as long as Android has, so I kinda doubt Google hasn’t thought about whether their software is actually soft and squishy like the name implies, and easy to remove or modify.
Do you work for Google? It’s weird to see someone valiantly defending them, especially given their ad-driven surveillance business model. Google removed “Don’t be evil” from their code of conduct in 2018 lol. If so I’d expect you to be better educated about their history of “thinking about whether their software is soft and squishy” (lol) like the 2018 data exposure that affected 52 million users. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?
Yea… Sure. You think Google doesn’t have hardware level telemetry? Ok buddy.
I got beach front property to sell you in Kansas.
For what. Thats a lot of effort for a small userbase. And most importantly a userbase that doesn’t see Google ads. Custom hardware is expensive and doesn’t provide much additional data for most users and provides unprofitable data for degoogled phones.
Google doesnt spy on us just because they are evil. They spy on us to sell more expensive targeted ads.
The user base of Pixel phones is small? What?
It’s got the lowest worldwide vendor market share. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?
https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile
^ Google is the lowest one on that list. Do you regularly just make stuff up?
I think they meant the userbase of grapheneos.
I think you might be right, but it’s a little silly to think Google would only install spyware on a tiny fraction of their phones that they somehow had a premonition that GrapheneOS would be installed on.
What they’re saying is that the GOS user base is the difference. The vast majority of users can be spied upon with software alone, no need for hardware. So it’s not worth the effort for so little payoff.
Well, the alternative ROM scene has been active as long as Android has, so I kinda doubt Google hasn’t thought about whether their software is actually soft and squishy like the name implies, and easy to remove or modify.
Do you work for Google? It’s weird to see someone valiantly defending them, especially given their ad-driven surveillance business model. Google removed “Don’t be evil” from their code of conduct in 2018 lol. If so I’d expect you to be better educated about their history of “thinking about whether their software is soft and squishy” (lol) like the 2018 data exposure that affected 52 million users. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?
The user base of pixel phones that have graphene on them.
Can the OS not monitor hardware level network usage on the device?
I’m curious if nobody has checked for something like that… it doesn’t sound hard to catch.
Maybe if it only activated over the mobile network?
Correct… The OS can not monitor TPMs. But TPMs can monitor the entire OS.
You think they’d find a way to obscure it from monitors on the same network, though? Maybe by only activating on a trusted mobile network?
If it had, then we’d know about it.