Proton VPN/mail. It’s often recommended as being safe, but I’m not so sure.
It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it’s completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.
I’m looking for a safe alternative that’s privacy-conscious and isn’t linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it’s fine if they’re separate). Please let me know if you guys know.
Having servers in Israel means you are materially tied to them now? Making this jump to liken it to Epstein or Palantir is kinda wild imo
Yes, absolutely. Profiting from servers under genocidal control is literally being materially tied to genocide.
Like I hear what you’re saying. I’m on the fuck Israel train as much as everyone but how does them hosting servers in that region support genocide? Are they giving money to the Israeli government? Defending the IDF?
Like there is McDonald’s in Israel does that mean McDonald’s is complicit in genocide? (I actually don’t know if they give money to support Israel but my point is more broad than that and might be a bad example)
Edit: Also for the McD’s example I guess they make money off of Israelis but I still posit that is different to a large degree with being complicit in genocide.
yes, it’s occupied land, it’s not like those servers are in tunnels in Gaza, paying fees to Palestinians
It’s the same in many places, and more often than not israel is held up as a special example
Remember me of a guy who said that being paid by the CIA doesnt mean youre actually working for the CIA.
Would you buy a volkswagen in the 1940s?
Could you explain why this is the same?
In one case you have a company tied to a nazi regime, in the other case you have a company tied to a nazi regime. Hope this helps
Proton has servers in 127 countries, including Cuba, Russia, Venezuela… do they all count as ties?
You’re here comparing Venezuela and Cuba to nazis, get out you pig
I’m here saying Proton has servers in 127 countries and they are widely different, so how do you decide to which ones they are “tied” (protip: They are tied to none, getting an exit node in a country benefit users from the countries next to it, and it also opens that country’s geolocked content to the world). Get a brain.
Yes, but afaik they are not nazis nor are involved in the kind of genocidal actions israel is
Proton has servers in both Russia and Ukraine, and neither means Proton has ties with their governments. If you want to expand an Israel boycott to anyone doing business with any company from Israel then ok, but the word “ties” seems to imply some involvement or complicity with a government/regime/ideology, like they are connected to anything said place is doing.
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Sure bro, the country that ended nazi germany is actually nazi.
Regardless of your opinion of 1940s Russia, don’t you think countries change over time?
USSR helped end Nazi Germany but nice revisionism lmao 🤡 Current day russia is 100% fash
You sir have made my day. Thank you.