What do you really know about them, when you can throw out any inconvenient fact about them as “bullshit propaganda from US”? Even China and Russia don’t have friendly relations with North Korea (although that’s started to change).
Maga nazis: you communist liberals just call everyone you disagree with nazis
Liberal nazis: you communist tankies just call everything you don’t agree with US propaganda.
Isn’t it interesting that the “We’re just saying not everyone is a nazi” crowd and the “We’re just saying not everything is US propaganda” crowd have, in practice, adopted the line that “nobody is a nazi” and " nothing is US propaganda", respectively? A neat little trick of projection. It isn’t communists who dismiss “inconvenient facts” as US propaganda, it is in fact anticommunists who uncritically accept convenient US propaganda as “facts”. We see this again and again, with every country the empire targets. If this was 2003, you would be berating us for casting doubt on the very real, totally credible story of Saddam Hussein’s WMD.
Those who learn from this pattern become communists. Those who don’t, stay liberals.
I’m not saying that there is no US propaganda against North Korea and other communist countries. Just that when you are able to dismiss everything as US propaganda you end up as far from the truth as when you blindly accept all US propaganda as true.
The reason I changed my pro-Ukraine stance was not because I debated with pro-Russia zealots on Lemmy. It was because I heard from someone who recognizes that Russia is imperfect and the war unjustified, but that Russia’s concerns were legitimate and that America clearly had a hand in causing it. I still support Ukraine’s territorial integrity BTW, just not anything like the total collapse of the Russian state.
Anyway, an acknowledgement that the North Korean state has real issues of their own making would disprove this. That information is so restricted is evidence of that.
Just that when you are able to dismiss everything as US propaganda
Except communists don’t actually do that, you just reflexively accuse us of doing that when we correctly point out US propaganda. Just like how when liberal point out nazis, maga nazis accuse them of just calling everyone nazis. It’s the exact same dynamic. You can’t give up your self-image of being reasonable, so instead you just pretend that the other person is being unreasonable when you’re met with reasonable pushback
Then you’re not looking very hard, and should try asking some good faith questions with an open mind instead of mindlessly repeating lines you’ve been fed. But seeing as you didn’t know who Hindenburg was 15 minutes ago, I have very little faith in your research skills
and what do you know about them, aside from all the bullshit propaganda from US?
What do you really know about them, when you can throw out any inconvenient fact about them as “bullshit propaganda from US”? Even China and Russia don’t have friendly relations with North Korea (although that’s started to change).
I notice you just completely ignored Cowbees extremely in depth response.
I stopped reading them after the first 20 or so.
I feel like you lose the right to respond when you don’t bother to read the argument
I can imagine why, it must get frustrating being so comprehensively demolished.
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Why?
Maga nazis: you communist liberals just call everyone you disagree with nazis
Liberal nazis: you communist tankies just call everything you don’t agree with US propaganda.
Isn’t it interesting that the “We’re just saying not everyone is a nazi” crowd and the “We’re just saying not everything is US propaganda” crowd have, in practice, adopted the line that “nobody is a nazi” and " nothing is US propaganda", respectively? A neat little trick of projection. It isn’t communists who dismiss “inconvenient facts” as US propaganda, it is in fact anticommunists who uncritically accept convenient US propaganda as “facts”. We see this again and again, with every country the empire targets. If this was 2003, you would be berating us for casting doubt on the very real, totally credible story of Saddam Hussein’s WMD.
Those who learn from this pattern become communists. Those who don’t, stay liberals.
I’m not saying that there is no US propaganda against North Korea and other communist countries. Just that when you are able to dismiss everything as US propaganda you end up as far from the truth as when you blindly accept all US propaganda as true.
The reason I changed my pro-Ukraine stance was not because I debated with pro-Russia zealots on Lemmy. It was because I heard from someone who recognizes that Russia is imperfect and the war unjustified, but that Russia’s concerns were legitimate and that America clearly had a hand in causing it. I still support Ukraine’s territorial integrity BTW, just not anything like the total collapse of the Russian state.
Anyway, an acknowledgement that the North Korean state has real issues of their own making would disprove this. That information is so restricted is evidence of that.
Except communists don’t actually do that, you just reflexively accuse us of doing that when we correctly point out US propaganda. Just like how when liberal point out nazis, maga nazis accuse them of just calling everyone nazis. It’s the exact same dynamic. You can’t give up your self-image of being reasonable, so instead you just pretend that the other person is being unreasonable when you’re met with reasonable pushback
Collectively, I have never heard any Lemmy Communists acknowledge anything negative about the North Korean state at true. Not even once.
Then you’re not looking very hard, and should try asking some good faith questions with an open mind instead of mindlessly repeating lines you’ve been fed. But seeing as you didn’t know who Hindenburg was 15 minutes ago, I have very little faith in your research skills