MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries.
This claim is made by the author of “New Cloak, Old Dagger” book, however despite seeing some references to some old 90s articles (which I can’t see, only if you are subscribed), these funding claims are apparently coming from a supposed MI6 contact, but this hasn’t been verified so there is some suspicion, especially because he mentions a “Red Sox” operation vaguely related to covert operations generally in the 50s but I have only seen like 2 articles that mentions this, and those are talking about 1930s ukrainian covert ops, also no old article references have “Red Sox” in it’s titles.
But let’s assume that all of his claims are true, since both the soviets and the west spied on eachother a lot. So even if MI6 trained some hungarian it had a mere effect compared to the huge grass-roots uprising in various cities by the commoners.
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms
These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists
A different source that explains the amount of antisemitism was negligible from Reddit with sources:
“Anti-semitism was marginal. Fromsources I checked, anti-semitic acts and various messages did happen and come up (mainly in the countryside), they were more sideline occurences that did not come to shape the overall tone of events.”
But let’s assume that all of his claims are true, since both the soviets and the west spied on eachother a lot. So even if MI6 trained some hungarian it had a mere effect compared to the huge grass-roots uprising in various cities by the commoners.
Your source confirms that MI6 aided the fascists. The west took advantage of far-right elements and aided them, they didn’t invent new far-right elements. CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party. This strategy of taking existing levers and massively tilting the scales and facilitating them, forcing more radical action, is the way color revolutions typically play out.
The “fascist elements” author was expelled for a time by the CIA in suspicion of being biased towards the communists.
Reality aligns with the communists, any honest journalist would be found guilty of such bias. Anna Louise Strong was also punished for honestly reporting on the socialist sphere as a Statesian. The CIA and US State Department find it unacceptable when journalists report positively or sympathetically towards communists and socialists, and pull various levers to silence them.
Another CIA document which doesn’t believe there was a rise of fascism.
Former far-right elements made up a portion of the communist government and millitary, as this was only a decade out from World War II. The fact that they were retained doesn’t mean they weren’t fascists, or that they had pulled a full 180. Just a decade prior, Horther’s regime had been gleefully assisting the Nazis, such a complete turnaround is impossible in such a short span of time.
“Anti-semitism was marginal. From sources I checked, anti-semitic acts and various messages did happen and come up (mainly in the countryside), they were more sideline occurences that did not come to shape the overall tone of events.”
Downplaying the infestation of anti-semitic pograms described as especially bad in Hungary. The “freedom fighters” restarted the pograms, and would mark the homes of Jews with black crosses, for nightly executions by the fascists. The fact of the matter is that the counter-revolutionary moment was starting and facilitating pograms, while the communists had stopped them.
Just by seeing how many antisemite people every country has even now, it is reasonable to assume that these incidents weren’t way above than the average. However Stalin and Brezhnev used antisemitism extensively under their rule
Anti-semitism was punishable by death penalty in the USSR, this is largely Red Scare fearmongering. In fact, the soviets were accused of being jewish supremicists, hence the hysteria around “Judeo-Bolshevism.” The USSR was the opposite of anti-semitic:
Source: Works, Vol. 13, 1930 - January 1934 Publisher: Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow, 1954
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle.
Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism. In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."
J. Stalin January 12, 1931
On the other hand, killing communists by the revolutionaries was definitely a more common thing. Imagine as a young student seeing the Communist Party win with a huge blue ballot election fraud, implementing brutal planned economy tactics which lead to country-wide famine (my grandma as a child seen newspaper as a rich person’s item, life was so brutal), your people being deported to Gulag just because they dared to even question the dictatorship in any way, instilling fear by the ÁVH, political members being executed on false charges, etc. and not having the urges to kill hardliner stalinists with a lead pipe. Ofc killing people are awful, but brutal times can bring out the extremes of some people.
Linking a right-wing anti-communist think tank for the majority of your sources, and cherry picking tragic mistakes in order to justify killing communists is awful. Planned economy aided food production, and fascists were jailed, that doesn’t justify murdering leftists.
The soviet prison system was actually very progressive for the time. Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice. Similarly, the soviet stystem of democracy was dramatically expanded on what came before it, documented by Statesian journalist Pat Sloan in Soviet Democracy. Coming out of World War II, when Hungary had sided with the Nazis and gleefully participated in the holocaust, political struggle was rife. As such, trying to erase the fascist elements from a post-World War II Hungary is a process that takes more than a mere decade (as we see with the reintroduction of lynchings and pograms by the countet-revolutionaries).
That CIA document happened way after 1956, and the CIA was caught in a surprise after the revolution have began. They were only doing small intelligence gathering before that.
The CIA did not spark the revolt, but they assisted with it, as did MI6. As shown earlier, CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party. This dramatically emboldened the fascists and radicalized them, steering and fostering an environment for counter-revolution.
Also if the CIA would have funded this uprising then the revolter party wouldn’t have been a socialist lead party by Imre Nagy.
The west has a proven track record of supporting liberalization and undermining socialism, which is what Imre Nagy was doing, along with allowing the lynching of Jews and communists. There were progressive elements in Nagy’s faction, but these progressive elements were outweighed by the overall fascist nature of the movement, and as such the worker councils established during 1956 need to be understood within that context. Similar to Kronstadt, fascists took advantage of anti-communist “left” dissent to steer a grassroots movement into a darker, terroristic direction.
Overall, your goal here seems to be to downplay antisemitic lynchings, paint lynching communists as a good thing, and try to pretend that the soviets were brutal monsters, all while linking right-wing anti-communist propaganda outlets. This whitewashes literal Nazis. According to polling, 72% of Hungarians are worse off than under socialism, being proud of resisting such a liberatory system is deeply confused.
Silly Cowbee, they said there were only minimal lynchings, Jewish people were only prosecuted to a marginal degree. Don’t forget how there’s multiple whole wikipedia articles on how Stalin is ebil.
Yea that one bugged me a lot. There were literal nazis let out of prison, and lynchings of Jewish people and communists. Trying to downplay the anti-semitism was sad to see.
This claim is made by the author of “New Cloak, Old Dagger” book, however despite seeing some references to some old 90s articles (which I can’t see, only if you are subscribed), these funding claims are apparently coming from a supposed MI6 contact, but this hasn’t been verified so there is some suspicion, especially because he mentions a “Red Sox” operation vaguely related to covert operations generally in the 50s but I have only seen like 2 articles that mentions this, and those are talking about 1930s ukrainian covert ops, also no old article references have “Red Sox” in it’s titles.
But let’s assume that all of his claims are true, since both the soviets and the west spied on eachother a lot. So even if MI6 trained some hungarian it had a mere effect compared to the huge grass-roots uprising in various cities by the commoners.
The “fascist elements” author was expelled for a time by the CIA in suspicion of being biased towards the communists.
Another CIA document which doesn’t believe there was a rise of fascism.
A different source that explains the amount of antisemitism was negligible from Reddit with sources:
“Anti-semitism was marginal. From sources I checked, anti-semitic acts and various messages did happen and come up (mainly in the countryside), they were more sideline occurences that did not come to shape the overall tone of events.”
Just by seeing how many antisemite people every country has even now, it is reasonable to assume that these incidents weren’t way above than the average. However Stalin and Brezhnev used antisemitism extensively under their rule
On the other hand, killing communists by the revolutionaries was definitely a more common thing. Imagine as a young student seeing the Communist Party win with a huge blue ballot election fraud, implementing brutal planned economy tactics which lead to country-wide famine (my grandma as a child seen newspaper as a rich person’s item, life was so brutal), your people being deported to Gulag just because they dared to even question the dictatorship in any way, instilling fear by the ÁVH, political members being executed on false charges, etc. and not having the urges to kill hardliner stalinists with a lead pipe. Ofc killing people are awful, but brutal times can bring out the extremes of some people.
That CIA document happened way after 1956, and the CIA was caught in a surprise after the revolution have began. They were only doing small intelligence gathering before that.
Also if the CIA would have funded this uprising then the revolter party wouldn’t have been a socialist lead party by Imre Nagy.
Your source confirms that MI6 aided the fascists. The west took advantage of far-right elements and aided them, they didn’t invent new far-right elements. CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party. This strategy of taking existing levers and massively tilting the scales and facilitating them, forcing more radical action, is the way color revolutions typically play out.
Reality aligns with the communists, any honest journalist would be found guilty of such bias. Anna Louise Strong was also punished for honestly reporting on the socialist sphere as a Statesian. The CIA and US State Department find it unacceptable when journalists report positively or sympathetically towards communists and socialists, and pull various levers to silence them.
Former far-right elements made up a portion of the communist government and millitary, as this was only a decade out from World War II. The fact that they were retained doesn’t mean they weren’t fascists, or that they had pulled a full 180. Just a decade prior, Horther’s regime had been gleefully assisting the Nazis, such a complete turnaround is impossible in such a short span of time.
Downplaying the infestation of anti-semitic pograms described as especially bad in Hungary. The “freedom fighters” restarted the pograms, and would mark the homes of Jews with black crosses, for nightly executions by the fascists. The fact of the matter is that the counter-revolutionary moment was starting and facilitating pograms, while the communists had stopped them.
Anti-semitism was punishable by death penalty in the USSR, this is largely Red Scare fearmongering. In fact, the soviets were accused of being jewish supremicists, hence the hysteria around “Judeo-Bolshevism.” The USSR was the opposite of anti-semitic:
Source: Works, Vol. 13, 1930 - January 1934 Publisher: Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow, 1954
Linking a right-wing anti-communist think tank for the majority of your sources, and cherry picking tragic mistakes in order to justify killing communists is awful. Planned economy aided food production, and fascists were jailed, that doesn’t justify murdering leftists.
The soviet prison system was actually very progressive for the time. Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice. Similarly, the soviet stystem of democracy was dramatically expanded on what came before it, documented by Statesian journalist Pat Sloan in Soviet Democracy. Coming out of World War II, when Hungary had sided with the Nazis and gleefully participated in the holocaust, political struggle was rife. As such, trying to erase the fascist elements from a post-World War II Hungary is a process that takes more than a mere decade (as we see with the reintroduction of lynchings and pograms by the countet-revolutionaries).
The CIA did not spark the revolt, but they assisted with it, as did MI6. As shown earlier, CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party. This dramatically emboldened the fascists and radicalized them, steering and fostering an environment for counter-revolution.
The west has a proven track record of supporting liberalization and undermining socialism, which is what Imre Nagy was doing, along with allowing the lynching of Jews and communists. There were progressive elements in Nagy’s faction, but these progressive elements were outweighed by the overall fascist nature of the movement, and as such the worker councils established during 1956 need to be understood within that context. Similar to Kronstadt, fascists took advantage of anti-communist “left” dissent to steer a grassroots movement into a darker, terroristic direction.
Overall, your goal here seems to be to downplay antisemitic lynchings, paint lynching communists as a good thing, and try to pretend that the soviets were brutal monsters, all while linking right-wing anti-communist propaganda outlets. This whitewashes literal Nazis. According to polling, 72% of Hungarians are worse off than under socialism, being proud of resisting such a liberatory system is deeply confused.
Silly Cowbee, they said there were only minimal lynchings, Jewish people were only prosecuted to a marginal degree. Don’t forget how there’s multiple whole wikipedia articles on how Stalin is ebil.
Yea that one bugged me a lot. There were literal nazis let out of prison, and lynchings of Jewish people and communists. Trying to downplay the anti-semitism was sad to see.