• AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 hours ago

    A) that’s actually good meme haha

    B) the space race ended when the US landed on the moon, if you run a 5k and get to 4.9k ahead of everyone but then don’t cross the finish line, you’ve still lost the race

    Anyway the point of my comment wasn’t “the US beat the Soviets because they’re authoritarian” it was “the Soviets had everything they needed to absolutely dominate space travel but their authoritarianism hindered their scientific progress significantly”

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      51 minutes ago

      You’re placing far too much importance on the potential excessive actions taken by a state under constant infiltration and siege against a scientist. As we showed, the soviet space program, without said scientist, took numerous firsts over the US. The soviets weren’t incompetent and needed a super-scientist to save them, they had an extremely competent team that took them to space before the US while being a semi-feudal backwater 50 years prior. If anything, the fact that they took so many firsts despite their dramatic hinderances, including recovering from World War II, is an excellent showcase of the effectiveness of soviet science.

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      1 hour ago

      This is what the lack of dialectical & historical materialism does to a motherfucker. You shall serve as a great example of what happens to the chumps who refuse to read theory.

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      3 hours ago

      B) the space race ended when the US landed on the moon, if you run a 5k and get to 4.9k ahead of everyone but then don’t cross the finish line, you’ve still lost the race

      Im not sure how to explain to you that if youre the one declaring what the goal is, you essentially declare yourself the winner. If I declare that the first person to be in space is the winner of the space race, the UDSSR won? It’s what the meme is hinting at

      the Soviets had everything they needed to absolutely dominate space travel but their authoritarianism hindered their scientific progress significantly

      A) every single state in this planet is authoritarian. What matters is the class character. Read this: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

      B) habe you considered that the reason the Soviet had everything they needed to absolutely dominate space travel was due to the system they had?

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        1 hour ago

        There’s no benefit in linking theory. They will read it once, not interpret a single thing of value, and then simply say they don’t agree with it even though their view completely contradicts the material reality.

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          46 minutes ago

          Meh it cost me nothing and the convenient link from other comrades got me to read theory. So I return the favor. I usually post it less for the person im directly talking to and more for the lurkers