When communists say “Holodomor is debunked,” they mean “Holodomor,” which is the idea of an intentionally genocidal famine. bubblybubbles did not say the 1930s famines were debunked, just “Holodomor.” There’s a tiny, sliver of a chance bubblybubbles doesn’t think there was any famine, but based on available context that’s extremely unlikely.
As for having a narrow frame of view, I apologize if it came across as insulting. Red Scare mythology is omnipresent in the english-speaking internet, and is still prevalent beyond it. The purpose of stating that was to try to highlight that the 1930s famine was far more complex than simply being a catastrophe of incompetence from soviet leadership alone, for example it’s also true that collectivization increased agricultural yields and mitigated the effects of famine.
I do encourage reading more about it, especially from sources after the opening of the soviet archives.
When communists say “Holodomor is debunked,” they mean “Holodomor,” which is the idea of an intentionally genocidal famine. bubblybubbles did not say the 1930s famines were debunked, just “Holodomor.” There’s a tiny, sliver of a chance bubblybubbles doesn’t think there was any famine, but based on available context that’s extremely unlikely.
As for having a narrow frame of view, I apologize if it came across as insulting. Red Scare mythology is omnipresent in the english-speaking internet, and is still prevalent beyond it. The purpose of stating that was to try to highlight that the 1930s famine was far more complex than simply being a catastrophe of incompetence from soviet leadership alone, for example it’s also true that collectivization increased agricultural yields and mitigated the effects of famine.
I do encourage reading more about it, especially from sources after the opening of the soviet archives.