I keep hearing the term in political discourse, and rather than googling it, I’m asking the people who know better than Google.

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    “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”

    “I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

    I mean, it’s obvious why you’re lying. I just didn’t expect you to lean right into the whole “there is no war in Ba Sing Se” vibe.

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      For the first, it’s saying exactly what I said, that it’s encouraging users that do choose to engage to do so with professionalism.

      For the latter, it isn’t a statement of intent, but a description of what is actually going on, a struggle between liberalism and leftism. There are prominent brigaders and drama farmers on .world, sh.itjust.works, piefed.world, etc that engage in ideological propagandizing against leftists, just like there are leftists that do so against right-wingers. This isn’t a command to Hexbear users to go out and disseminate spooky scary leftist ideology, but a description of what already exists.

      So no, I’m not lying, you’re either unintentionally misreading the post and my comments, or are deliberately smearing me.

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        For the first, it’s saying exactly what I said, that it’s encouraging users that do choose to engage to do so with professionalism.

        Propaganda wars and professionalism are not mutually exclusive. Nice try.

        For the latter, it isn’t a statement of intent, but a description of what is actually going on, a struggle between liberalism and leftism. There are prominent brigaders and drama farmers on .world, sh.itjust.works, piefed.world, etc that engage in ideological propagandizing against leftists, just like there are leftists that do so against right-wingers. This isn’t a command to Hexbear users to go out and disseminate spooky scary leftist ideology, but a description of what already exists.

        You don’t get dizzy from so much spinning?

        I mean, by that logic, Lemmy World admins never specifically stated that they were defederating because of people holding viewpoints they don’t like. You want to have it both ways so bad it’s disgusting.

        Maybe these tactics actually work in Communist spaces? That would explain a lot…

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          The Lemmy.world admins manufactured the idea of Hexbear users intentionally brigading lemmy.world threads before they even federated, choosing to pre-emptively defederate, and directly cited ideological differences as the reason. Lemmy.world does not care about “idelogical warfare” itself as bad, as there are constant drama farms and prominent users and comms on Lemmy.world that directly state their intent is to push anti-communist views, yet these users are protected, made moderators, etc. Logically, therefore, it’s the views that matter, not the idea of “protecting against brigading.”

          If the Lemmy.world admins were honest, they would just outright state that they don’t like communism. Hexbear is honest, and directly states they ban right-wingers. Lemmy.world tries to have their cake and eat it too.

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            The Lemmy.world admins manufactured the idea of Hexbear users intentionally brigading lemmy.world threads before they even federated, choosing to pre-emptively defederate, and directly cited ideological differences as the reason.

            Quote it. Your evidence so far is “they’re lying”.

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              In addition to the reasoning I’ve already given, their intentional bolding of comments like these:

              “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

              This was a statement on the stances of Hexbear, not a call to action. The Lemmy.world admins highlighted it to show why ideologically this was unacceptable to them, plain and simple.

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                Again: I asked for you to quote them saying they were defederating because hexbear users have stances common to communists.

                What you gave me was your interpretation of why they bolded some text.

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                  They listed stances common to communists as an example of what to defederate from. Tell me, why would they bold it? As Edie said, you’re just sealioning.

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                    They listed stances common to communists

                    That’s probably true – quite a few things in those quotes

                    as an example of what to defederate from

                    This is the lie.

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                    Hexbear admins: "We plan to federate with Lemmy World for the express purpose of dismantling their western propaganda. We intend to continue our war against Liberals in the fediverse while we’re there. But no brigades. We totally promise.

                    Despite openly acknowledging that our typical behavior is to ‘dunk on dirtbag libs’, and to do hilarious trolling, we will try to engage using informed rhetoric and sources."

                    Lemmy World admins: “That sounds terrible. No thanks.”

                    Cowbee: “Lemmy World admins secretly hate Communists. Look at what they bolded!”

                    Am I missing anything? I can source anything in there you think isn’t true.

                    Accuses me of sealioning while giving cover to a blatant liar. Good stuff.