• pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 hours ago

    I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement.

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      The communists overthrew the nationalists, and since then public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Democracy was expanded and is comprehensively surveyed from the bottom-up, and capitalists are kept in check by the socialist state.

      What exactly do you want to read about? That’s a broad question, if you narrow it down a bit I might be able to give you a more focused answer.

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        12 hours ago

        What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point.

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          12 hours ago

          Public ownership doesn’t mean receipt of dividends, like some kind of massive cooperative. It means owned across all of society. The state handles that in socialism, yes, China is socialist.

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            12 hours ago

            OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that.

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              12 hours ago

              The state is an extension of the ruling class, it isn’t an independent entity. Ownership of the state is largely determined by which aspect is principle, private ownership, public ownership, etc. In China, public, collective ownership is principle, and the communists created a socialist state after overthrowing the nationalists.

              I’m not seeing your point.

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                11 hours ago

                You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that.

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                  5 hours ago

                  Xi is at the head of the CPC, but that isn’t in conflict with the working class being in control of the state. The mode of production is the biggest aspect governing which class the state is under the control of. Further, China is comprehensively democratic, moreso than western countries:

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                  8 hours ago

                  Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person.

                  Grow up.