Glad to see so many subreddits contributing to this. Reddit IPO is the worst thing that happened to it and the original founders would have never allowed reddit to get to this point.
The thing is that people would gladly play 2-5usd/mo to keep 3rd party clients but Reddit is making super difficult on purpose. No way they are getting 5usd/mo per user from ads.
This is the third time Ive written this out because Jerboa keeps crashing so Im using the web interface instead!
Hopefully, I’ll remember the salient points I made and maybe be even more succinct!
and the original founders would have never allowed Reddit to get to this point.
Unfortunately, at least one of the original founders has allowed, quite possibly even driven this policy. Steve Huffman is still very much at the helm and what he has exposed of himself in interviews, he doesn’t sound like a very nice person (re: post apocalypse, he sees himself being on top and having slaves)
It’s great that subs and users are organising to fight this but maybe Reddit should be allowed to carry out this change and metaphorically shoot itself in the face? This is just the latest in a long horrifying series of policies that the admins have pushed through, actions they have failed to take, or when they finally did, it was long after the horse had bolted.
Remember the jailbait (and worse) subs that they allowed for so long (and were rumoured to have participated in) and when they finally did something after Anderson Cooper shone a light under that dark, seedy rock, they picked their sacrificial lamb and blamed it all on him? Remember the secret santa parallel site someone set up that Reddit then forcibly absorbed and let wilt? Remember how they dealt with Victoria who arranged all the celebrity IAMA’s? Remember how they brought in Ellen Pao (with her own set of issues) to deal with horrific amount of far right and misogynist subs that were actively calling for peoples and groups deaths, and then threw her under the bus once they got what they needed? Remember how they were banning people and deleting posts when it was revealed that 5 mod accounts were basically controlling the top 100 subs? Remember how they appointed to the admins a person who was found to be grooming teens and was supportive of their father who was convicted of serious sexual assault of a child?
The list is never-ending…
The sad fact of the matter is that centralised social medias one driving factor is money. They acquire that via data points collection from engagement. They dont care what kind of engagement as long as theres plenty of it and hateful content drives engagement.
There is no sense of community among the admins and execs of Reddit. It is entirely from the users.
The original founders allowed this to happen, if they didn’t drive this. Many similar times previously, and undoubtedly, many more times to come.
Maybe Reddit, just like every other centralised, corporate owned social media sites time is over?
I just dont believe its something worth fighting for, despite how commendable the actions of all those subs is.
That’s what I want too. It’s time to take more control over platforms we use (and platforms that make money off of us existing). I’m happy most blackout posts either mention lemmy as an alternative directly, or it’s in the top 5 comments.
I’ve people who remember the web in the late 90s / early 2000s, repeatedly comment that they miss finding weird, leftfield and wacky blogs and sites and that the last decade has been corporates vacuuming up anything that was interesting, subsuming it into their ecosphere to then let it wither and die because they didn’t understand it, just that it was gaining popularity.
If you look at the front page of Reddit now, its just recycled memes, content cross posted from the same corporate own sites such as Twitter and TikTok and endless reposts by bot accounts that are karma farming so they can be used for astro turfing.
There are niche communities and they are the ones suffering from this API policy but its time they all bailed and found better homes.
I’m one of those people. The old web was so much more exciting and interesting before corporations started owning everything. I made a community called oldweb here on lemmy for this exact reason of sharing old websites, quirky personal blogs/sites etc.
Absolutely. The “old web” was perhaps a bit on the (visually) ugly side, but we were free. Not much corporate going on, but much exploring the seemingly infinite possibilities together, as free users.
Sure, there were some small online shops for hobbyists and special interest stuff, but they always were - in my experience - firmly connected to if not operated and driven by that community. It is hard to describe - it simply was great. The final frontier, so it seemed. Connect to freaks like yourself all over the world, or explore new exiting topics, music, cultures. Learn a ton of stuff for free. Really connect.
But then capitalism crept in - I cannot even draw a clear line when that all happened (Can someone here help me out here?) and as we all know now they built their monopolies and now the web is made up of those “five corporate websites showing screenshots of the other four” or how that famous quote went.
I really think and hope the fediverse is a opportunity to rebuild a better, user-centered web.
That being said, is there a kind of implementation of the fediverse for / with projects like peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol (e.g. IPFS) and/or the onion web? (or perhaps that’s material for another discussion/thread, eh?)
When all the apps are effectively blocked I bet they push a release to the stores with directions to an alternative. Can Apollo, RiF, Boost, Sync and all the others launch gateways and point their users at the fediverse?
Checking again, you’re right. I am seeing the odd thing now. Maybe i was looking for a way to see just the beehaw feed and purposefully bounce back and forth as desired.
I know what you mean. I’m also discovering i need to pivot my perspective from Reddit-style usage.
It’s also odd that i was able to find a couple BeeHaw communities but some others never showed up. I’m on mobile at work so i haven’t been able to investigate.
Yeah, it’s exciting to see things differently. Especially since, for the moment, things are a bit smaller here. I’m liking the idea of everything so far. Perhaps the app needs a few things added. Most definitely, I have a lot to learn!
Have not messed around with the app much yet and didn’t know it would show up at all based off of my cursory glances so far. I mentioned in another comment that I was wondering if it could be set so that I only see Beehaw and not lemmy.ml so I could hop between the locations at will. Maybe in a future update in the app!
Update: I poked around the app a bit more. I didn’t notice that in the login screen, the instance menu could scroll. It looked like it perfectly held the fours it originally showed. I was short on time when i originally looked and didn’t try scrolling there because of how nicely it fit. Figured i would update this in case others could use the info.
I had not noticed that the list of instances was longer than originally shown. Thank you for sharing screen shots. Hopefully if someone else had the same question, that clears it up!
I’m not willing to pay a subscription to Reddit. Forcing the apps to charge and then pay Reddit a fee is just a veiled attempt to squeeze money out of the very users that make and mod the content by the corporate idiots in control of the site.
Glad to see so many subreddits contributing to this. Reddit IPO is the worst thing that happened to it and the original founders would have never allowed reddit to get to this point.
The thing is that people would gladly play 2-5usd/mo to keep 3rd party clients but Reddit is making super difficult on purpose. No way they are getting 5usd/mo per user from ads.
This is the third time Ive written this out because Jerboa keeps crashing so Im using the web interface instead!
Hopefully, I’ll remember the salient points I made and maybe be even more succinct!
Unfortunately, at least one of the original founders has allowed, quite possibly even driven this policy. Steve Huffman is still very much at the helm and what he has exposed of himself in interviews, he doesn’t sound like a very nice person (re: post apocalypse, he sees himself being on top and having slaves)
It’s great that subs and users are organising to fight this but maybe Reddit should be allowed to carry out this change and metaphorically shoot itself in the face? This is just the latest in a long horrifying series of policies that the admins have pushed through, actions they have failed to take, or when they finally did, it was long after the horse had bolted.
Remember the jailbait (and worse) subs that they allowed for so long (and were rumoured to have participated in) and when they finally did something after Anderson Cooper shone a light under that dark, seedy rock, they picked their sacrificial lamb and blamed it all on him? Remember the secret santa parallel site someone set up that Reddit then forcibly absorbed and let wilt? Remember how they dealt with Victoria who arranged all the celebrity IAMA’s? Remember how they brought in Ellen Pao (with her own set of issues) to deal with horrific amount of far right and misogynist subs that were actively calling for peoples and groups deaths, and then threw her under the bus once they got what they needed? Remember how they were banning people and deleting posts when it was revealed that 5 mod accounts were basically controlling the top 100 subs? Remember how they appointed to the admins a person who was found to be grooming teens and was supportive of their father who was convicted of serious sexual assault of a child?
The list is never-ending…
The sad fact of the matter is that centralised social medias one driving factor is money. They acquire that via data points collection from engagement. They dont care what kind of engagement as long as theres plenty of it and hateful content drives engagement.
There is no sense of community among the admins and execs of Reddit. It is entirely from the users.
The original founders allowed this to happen, if they didn’t drive this. Many similar times previously, and undoubtedly, many more times to come.
Maybe Reddit, just like every other centralised, corporate owned social media sites time is over?
I just dont believe its something worth fighting for, despite how commendable the actions of all those subs is.
That’s what I want too. It’s time to take more control over platforms we use (and platforms that make money off of us existing). I’m happy most blackout posts either mention lemmy as an alternative directly, or it’s in the top 5 comments.
I’ve people who remember the web in the late 90s / early 2000s, repeatedly comment that they miss finding weird, leftfield and wacky blogs and sites and that the last decade has been corporates vacuuming up anything that was interesting, subsuming it into their ecosphere to then let it wither and die because they didn’t understand it, just that it was gaining popularity.
If you look at the front page of Reddit now, its just recycled memes, content cross posted from the same corporate own sites such as Twitter and TikTok and endless reposts by bot accounts that are karma farming so they can be used for astro turfing.
There are niche communities and they are the ones suffering from this API policy but its time they all bailed and found better homes.
I’m one of those people. The old web was so much more exciting and interesting before corporations started owning everything. I made a community called oldweb here on lemmy for this exact reason of sharing old websites, quirky personal blogs/sites etc.
Yeah I already found this person and it’s awesome!
Absolutely. The “old web” was perhaps a bit on the (visually) ugly side, but we were free. Not much corporate going on, but much exploring the seemingly infinite possibilities together, as free users. Sure, there were some small online shops for hobbyists and special interest stuff, but they always were - in my experience - firmly connected to if not operated and driven by that community. It is hard to describe - it simply was great. The final frontier, so it seemed. Connect to freaks like yourself all over the world, or explore new exiting topics, music, cultures. Learn a ton of stuff for free. Really connect.
But then capitalism crept in - I cannot even draw a clear line when that all happened (Can someone here help me out here?) and as we all know now they built their monopolies and now the web is made up of those “five corporate websites showing screenshots of the other four” or how that famous quote went. I really think and hope the fediverse is a opportunity to rebuild a better, user-centered web.
That being said, is there a kind of implementation of the fediverse for / with projects like peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol (e.g. IPFS) and/or the onion web? (or perhaps that’s material for another discussion/thread, eh?)
When all the apps are effectively blocked I bet they push a release to the stores with directions to an alternative. Can Apollo, RiF, Boost, Sync and all the others launch gateways and point their users at the fediverse?
They could, but have no incentive to do so unless the dev specifically likes the fediverse or something.
Seems like either Reddit takes a new stance or these app devs will need to point at something else.
Quick side question: How did you get to beehaw from the jerboa app? I only see lemmy.ml stuff on it and can’t find a way to add other communities.
I’m able to find some BeeHaw communities by searching them in the app.
Checking again, you’re right. I am seeing the odd thing now. Maybe i was looking for a way to see just the beehaw feed and purposefully bounce back and forth as desired.
I know what you mean. I’m also discovering i need to pivot my perspective from Reddit-style usage.
It’s also odd that i was able to find a couple BeeHaw communities but some others never showed up. I’m on mobile at work so i haven’t been able to investigate.
Yeah, it’s exciting to see things differently. Especially since, for the moment, things are a bit smaller here. I’m liking the idea of everything so far. Perhaps the app needs a few things added. Most definitely, I have a lot to learn!
Have you tried searching for beehaw stuff by name?
Have not messed around with the app much yet and didn’t know it would show up at all based off of my cursory glances so far. I mentioned in another comment that I was wondering if it could be set so that I only see Beehaw and not lemmy.ml so I could hop between the locations at will. Maybe in a future update in the app!
Update: I poked around the app a bit more. I didn’t notice that in the login screen, the instance menu could scroll. It looked like it perfectly held the fours it originally showed. I was short on time when i originally looked and didn’t try scrolling there because of how nicely it fit. Figured i would update this in case others could use the info.
I clicked the 3 bars on the left side of the interface, then “add account” and entered beehaw details
I had not noticed that the list of instances was longer than originally shown. Thank you for sharing screen shots. Hopefully if someone else had the same question, that clears it up!
I typed in beehaw.org myself - it wasnt in the list. That only seems to offer up 3 lemmy instances
I didn’t know you could type in that list?! It didn’t look like a field that allowed that. Good to know for the future!
I’m not willing to pay a subscription to Reddit. Forcing the apps to charge and then pay Reddit a fee is just a veiled attempt to squeeze money out of the very users that make and mod the content by the corporate idiots in control of the site.