Anti-natalism is the philosophical value judgment that procreation is unethical or unjustifiable. Antinatalists thus argue that humans should abstain from making children. Some antinatalists consider coming into existence to always be a serious harm. Their views are not necessarily limited only to humans but may encompass all sentient creatures, arguing that coming into existence is a serious harm for sentient beings in general. There are various reasons why antinatalists believe human reproduction is problematic. The most common arguments for antinatalism include that life entails inevitable suffering, death is inevitable, and humans are born without their consent. Additionally, although some people may turn out to be happy, this is not guaranteed, so to procreate is to gamble with another person’s suffering. WIKIPEDIA

If you think, maybe for a few years, like 10-20 years, no one should make babies, and when things get better, we can continue, then you are not an anti-natalist. Anti-natalists believe that suffering will always be there and no one should be born EVER.

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  • causepix@lemmy.ml
    11·
    6 hours ago

    That’s wild of you to think that not wanting kids is facism.

    That’s an insane reduction of my argument

    I’m merely emphasizing the ridiculous of your claim that one can only improve the world by birthing kids and raising them to do good. You don’t have to birth kids to do that, just fuckin do it yourself.

    That’s also not what I said, and “just fuckin do it” is the point I was making. I was saying that having kids and raising them in that way had relatively better potential to reduce suffering than not having kids at all, not that it was the only or most effective way to do it.

    You clearly didn’t read or try to engage with what I wrote. You’re the one that compared human population control to euthanizing dogs, as if that would actually solve anything, and refused to elaborate when I pointed out that it wouldn’t. I’m not the one in bad faith here and I’m done responding to this thread. No, I don’t care to learn about ideologies that seek to “improve” the human condition by removing humans from the equation that aren’t even materially responsible for these conditions in the first place.

    • Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 hour ago

      Removing humans? Again, shows how little you understand about anti-natalism. There is no ‘removing humans’ involved if they aren’t born in the first place.

      I love how you substituted ‘sterilize’ with ‘euthanize’ as if they were the same thing, and then claim that I was the one who didn’t try to engage.

      If you don’t care to learn you should have said so earlier. Anti-intellectuallism, bad faith arguments, pronatalism, false attribution, deflection, and projection are all hallmarks of conservatism. Go and take your conversative shit somewhere else.