• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Hrm.

      Traditional… likely to the point of royalty.

      What about two tanto?

      Tanto and ninjato?

      (I know ninjato are… possibly historically apocryphal, but they definitely make 'em these days.)

      Two sai?

      Two tonfa?

      Two kama?

      Two nunchaku?

      There are a lot of options for dual wielding within Kobudo.

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        Sure, but kobudo is not kendo. I had taken kendo/kenjutsu for some time in my younger years and still practice on occasion with my bokken.

        I currently am an Uechi-Ryu student and have only practiced some with the weapons (mainly the bo and tonfa), but it is mainly on how to defend against them. Karate is, after all, open hand.

        I don’t understand the royalty part.

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          The royalty part is me doing a bit, being cheeky, teasing, suggesting you are spoiled/high borne enough to be allowed to carry a katana and wakizashi.

          …as opposed to the weapons employed by kobudo, which ultimately derives from Okinawan/Ryukyuan peasants developing a form of guerilla warfare, to resist invading samurai, with either an empty hand (karatedo), or basically common farming tools (kobudo) …as they were prohibited from owning, or carrying proper weapons, by said samurai.

          Or uh, put in more anime terms:

          Mugen: Tch. [Dismissive]

          I guess if its relevant, I got up to a shodan from Shito-Ryu before I went to college… it has been a while since then, but I don’t recall hearing of Uechi-Ryu…

          From the wiki page, it seems… roughly similar to Goju-Ryu, but of its own lineage… I am genuinely curious to know more, if you would be willing to share.

          For example, I was taught by my shihon that the basic, zenkutsu dachi / oi tsuki, was originally a sort of basic model of how to hit with enough force to actually do some meaningful damage to an unarmed, armored opponent… like a samurai who had been releived of his weapon.

          Have you heard anything like this in your Uechi-Ryu training?

          I am also somewhat familiar, as an observer, with kendo… it was taught at the same dojo I trained in karate at, but aha!, alas, I had neither the time nor money to study both karate/kobudo and kendo, as well as get good enough school grades to be able to go to a uni, all at the same time, hahah!

          EDIT:

          Ah, I forgot, it was actually kendo and iaido… again I am not well versed in either, but evidently iaido goes back … hundreds of years further than kendo.

          And, just for good measure, I once dated a girl who practiced kyudo, traditional Japanese archery… very interesting, only bow form I’ve ever even heard of where the bow and draw are designed such that you do not do a straight backward pull… you actually twist the arrow as you draw, the bow and string are designed with this in mind, to untwist as you release, almost like proto-rifling.

          Finally: Believe me or not, but I once encountered and made an acquaintance of a man who… claimed to have been exiled from the Yakuza.

          He had a very busted middle finger, explained to me that… he had fucked something up, and his superior, instead of taking the finger…switched the blade around and struck with the blunt side, which shattered his knuckle… but better than losing it.

          And he was then to never return to Japan.

          … He was a… 4th or 5th degree shodan, did a bullshit test on me claiming to be a 1st degree shodan by… throwing an extremely accurate punch directly at the bridge of my nose.

          I did nothing.

          Him being (or claiming to be) a 4th or 5th degree shodan, it would have been an insult for me to assume he was not entirely capable of stopping that punch a centimeter from making contact.

          Which he did!

          We then both broke out laughing, he patted me on the back, ‘good, good!’.

          That was quite a night.

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            Uechi-Ryu adapts some Chinese styles and forms, including tiger, crane, and dragon. The stance isn’t so wide and favors a more 50-50 weight distribution. My old school when I was a kid was a little different, labeled as “Okinawan karate” and was a little more diverse, including some kung fu, kenpo and tai chi, so I believe it was Uechi-Ryu.

            I’m not sure about punching through armor? Something like that has never been discussed as far as I know.

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              Ah, I see… interesting!

              A lot of people… or at least Westerners… don’t know that Tai Chi is more than just meditative stretching, that it is an actual martial art.

              A blend of all those you describe would be interesting to see.

              As best I can tell, Uechi Ryu is Okinawan in the sense that its founding master was based out of Okinawa…

              But yeah, seems to be a different lineage than Goju-Ryu and Shito-Ryu, which again, best I can tell, were both formed by two students of Higaonna Kanryo, who were good friends, both born in Okinawa.

              But ah, the point of that ‘lunge punch’ I mentioned is not to… break the armor, penetrate it.

              It is to hit with so much force that it staggers the opponent.

              As opposed to something like a lighter, faster, flurry of blows, ala kung fu.

              Like uh, if you are wearing kevlar / plate body armor… a .22 may make you flinch.

              But a 7.62 from the same range? Even if it hits the plate armor, doesn’t pen it… that force still goes into you, knocks you on your ass.

              Also, it seems I have the worst timing, I just updated my older comment with some more… potentially related errata that came to mind.

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    Spear and shield. A slab of wood and/or metal strapped to your arm and a pointy stick are very versatile.

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    That ain’t no daggers. Those are gladii.

    Edit: nvm those are katars. Indian first knifes/daggers.

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      Ah!

      Hey, either of those are I think more accurate than my idea of ‘roughly two highly stylized bastard swords’

      But uh yeah, those are way too big to be ‘daggers’ lol, and they’re literally part of the arm, so you can’t do different grips or wrist motions … closer to dual wielding two ‘short’ swords of some kind…

      But damn, I’d never even heard of a katar before!

      The reminds me of the Halo energy sword, with the uh, grip? hilt? orientation, more like a fistpack or brass knuckles than … basically all swords.

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    Ok, double post but uh, new idea:

    Por que no los dos?

    Dual wield two tomahawks or actual, one-handed war hammers.

    Or use one of each.

    You can have a tomahawk with a blade side, and then either a hammer or a spike on the other side…

    Or an actual, one handed war hammer, with a hammer on one side, and then either a spike or blade on the other side.

    You could also maybe have uh, with modern materials and design techniques, have roughly a dagger coming out of the grip, toward the ground, you could have that within some kind of locked but releaseable sheath that also makes up some portion of the grip?

    … Not the same combat style as two daggers, but the OP doesn’t show two daggers, it basically shows two highly stylized bastard swords, in terms of approximating the actual combat style / weapon.