• irmoz@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    On a national scale however, they will always fail as long as they are controlled by fallible humans.

    Do you have even a single example of socialism or communism failing without first being invaded?

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      1 year ago

      If communism falls apart every time something doesn’t go according to plan, then it’s not going to work.

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        1 year ago

        something doesn’t go according to plan

        That’s a fucking weird way to put it. This isn’t exactly falling at the first hurdle here.

        Society isn’t a game of Civilization. If “your system can’t handle a military invasion while it’s in the process of being built” is a major fail to you, realise that reality isn’t about min maxing, and why the fuck are you taking outside invasion as a given? Why are you not condemning the US for invading them at their weakest point, the military equivalent of dropkicking an infant, and are instead deriding the invaded for not being able to put up a better fight?

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          Easy, the USA got invaded early by a superpower and recovered well enough. I could argue that it was a benefit in the way that it forged a national identity

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            Was the US “invaded” in the midst of an ongoing revolution, by an overwhelming force intended to warp its very society? No. It threw off its already existing, but sorely outnumbered colonial authority. It wasn’t an invasion. It was a revolution in itself. And the US had all the advantage in its war for independence, especially considering France helped them out.

            Chile didn’t have that. Argentina didn’t.

            And even with this caveat, Vietnam and Cuba still stand as examples of socialism not “falling apart the fiest time something goes wrong”. They had overwhelming force against them and still succeeded. So that point doesn’t even work.