What I never got about this theory is, fine, you run after the Ptadgedrwgydon for 87kms, when it gives up due to exhaustion and you kill it with a stone. What now? You’re 87kms away with a carcass that weighs 500kg, how do you get back the food to the tribe?
That’s probably part of the reason why the evidence of persistence hunting being used as an actual hunting technique, compared to ambush hunting or trapping is incredibly slim. And that’s the reason why there’s really no scientific consensus that persistence hunting was a major thing at all.
Moose hunters just shoot them these days. The only time anyone is running any more is when they are headed to a charger for their phone because the charge is down to 10%
Oh, you want a classroom lesson. After the kill you have one of two choices. You can either cut up the animal and carry it home in pieces, making multiple trips to do so if alone. Or you can process the animal on the spot. Taking a few days to do so.
If you are persistence hunting, you are almost always hunting in a pack. And everyone can carry something back to the camp. Remember: Not everything is going to be brought back. A moose will dress out maybe at 50% at best. And you leave what you can’t carry or don’t want behind. Modern hunters often do similar today. If I can’t get a pickup or 4 wheeler to the spot, I field dress the deer and cut it into quarters and make a couple of trips to carry the meat out. A 200lbs deer will yield about 90lbs of edible meat-- give or take. Easily carried out by one person in 2 trips.
Or you can process the carcass on the spot. It was a common hunting technique in the North Americas to run a herd of animals like bison off a cliff to kill or cripple them. It might take a day or two to set things up, but as the hunt began and the herd was funneled to the cliff, the rest of the group, those that weren’t able to actively participate in the hunt, would follow at a distance behind the hunters. When the herd was run off the cliff, everyone would set up camp right by the kill area and simply eat and process as much as they wanted for later. Again, leaving behind what they couldn’t process or want.
All this information is available by a simple search if you want to know more. A method I highly encourage everyone to use to gain knowledge.
Yep. That’s what I was recomending! Thanks for volunteering your time.
I learned it from Clan of the Cavebear series, which was slightly more digestible than an encyclopedia. (I like reading encyclopedia, but know most people need a little human interest to stay focused)
That’s probably as much detail as we’re going to cram on lemmy, but the details of what organs and musculoskelular parts can be used for what, or what packs up or processes down surprisingly well, and thus prioritized for carriage.
Thanks for helping unpack this for the lurkers. People like to hear different voices and angles on a subject, rightly.
What I never got about this theory is, fine, you run after the Ptadgedrwgydon for 87kms, when it gives up due to exhaustion and you kill it with a stone. What now? You’re 87kms away with a carcass that weighs 500kg, how do you get back the food to the tribe?
That’s probably part of the reason why the evidence of persistence hunting being used as an actual hunting technique, compared to ambush hunting or trapping is incredibly slim. And that’s the reason why there’s really no scientific consensus that persistence hunting was a major thing at all.
I figured they chased them in a big circle. Or did laps. Or anything other than a completely straight line.
I can imagine… “You, c*nt! Would you mind turning left a bit? Thanks!”
Group hunting for mega-fauna. Partial field-processing of remains, beyond a dressing.
idk, moose hunters might still. Is there a moose hunter at the forum today…?
Moose hunters just shoot them these days. The only time anyone is running any more is when they are headed to a charger for their phone because the charge is down to 10%
We were talking about the after killing part, specifically.
Field dressing, meat logistics, leather processing and whether you’re saving the brains for that or not.
Thanks for your enthusiam. Feel free to reply with information more directly related to getting meat and craft materials back to camp.
Oh, you want a classroom lesson. After the kill you have one of two choices. You can either cut up the animal and carry it home in pieces, making multiple trips to do so if alone. Or you can process the animal on the spot. Taking a few days to do so.
If you are persistence hunting, you are almost always hunting in a pack. And everyone can carry something back to the camp. Remember: Not everything is going to be brought back. A moose will dress out maybe at 50% at best. And you leave what you can’t carry or don’t want behind. Modern hunters often do similar today. If I can’t get a pickup or 4 wheeler to the spot, I field dress the deer and cut it into quarters and make a couple of trips to carry the meat out. A 200lbs deer will yield about 90lbs of edible meat-- give or take. Easily carried out by one person in 2 trips.
Or you can process the carcass on the spot. It was a common hunting technique in the North Americas to run a herd of animals like bison off a cliff to kill or cripple them. It might take a day or two to set things up, but as the hunt began and the herd was funneled to the cliff, the rest of the group, those that weren’t able to actively participate in the hunt, would follow at a distance behind the hunters. When the herd was run off the cliff, everyone would set up camp right by the kill area and simply eat and process as much as they wanted for later. Again, leaving behind what they couldn’t process or want.
All this information is available by a simple search if you want to know more. A method I highly encourage everyone to use to gain knowledge.
Yep. That’s what I was recomending! Thanks for volunteering your time.
I learned it from Clan of the Cavebear series, which was slightly more digestible than an encyclopedia. (I like reading encyclopedia, but know most people need a little human interest to stay focused)
That’s probably as much detail as we’re going to cram on lemmy, but the details of what organs and musculoskelular parts can be used for what, or what packs up or processes down surprisingly well, and thus prioritized for carriage.
Thanks for helping unpack this for the lurkers. People like to hear different voices and angles on a subject, rightly.
This is how we learned to be nomads. Kill big thing, bring camp to big thing, hang out until big thing is all eaten.
The tribe can walk.
This is how Komodo Dragons hunt, too.