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I’m pretty sure this is the same guy who was ranting about Godot “being woke” last year lol
Okay, as much as I approve of mocking bigots, I didn’t pronounce “Godot” properly for a few years because I had never heard the name spoken before. I’d only ever read it.
Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it’s an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing. Typically, people receptive to learning will try to correct themselves when it’s pointed out. I’m very self conscious of this because I’m awful at pronouncing words.
But for folks like this, yeah, mock the hell out of them.
Lol grew up reading a lot of books and such, so very similar and I am usually bad at assumed pronunciation, such as godot which I just learned thanks to this thread.
What you’re saying is true, that not knowing how to pronounce aloud a word you’ve only ever read is not some kind of 100% surefire sign you’re a bigot or anything like that.
It just means, as you say, that you’ve never heard it said aloud.
But… that also means you never bothered to look up how it is pronounced (its on wikipedia, the actual Godot devs have videos of them saying it, etc)… and it does also mean you presumably are also unfamiliar with Waiting for Godot.
So I would say you are also ‘uncultured’ in that way, but of course, simply being uncultured doesn’t make one a bigot.
You could just not have the time, money, etc, to have seen the play before.
That by no means say anything else really concrete about you, or any other person, if that’s like… the only single datapoint you know about them.
In all seriousness, I do strongly recommend seeing the actual play, probably you could find a dramatic reading / radio drama version of it somewhere on the net, or even a full video captured performance of it on a forgotten youtube channel or the Internet Archive.
I… don’t know that its ever been adapted as a proper movie, perhaps a film snob can appear and call me uncultured, haja!
I would strongly disagree with not looking up the specific pronunciation of a word being an indicator of being less cultured, as this does paint those who are not able to hear it (or have learning disabilities) as inherently less cultured.
I never looked up the specific pronunciation because I was not aware the name was not pronounced the way it was spelt until my mother told me. Being a high functioning autistic individual, I am generally afraid of using words I don’t already say a lot because I am never sure of the proper pronunciation (which is also subject to variation due to accents and regional dialects).
Personally, I subscribe to the idea of sharing new things with people and teaching if they’re receptive to it, because that’s a lot more constructive in my opinion.
You said the play was worth watching, yes? Is there a particular recording you would recommend recommend?
Well, you’ve got a point with those that are hearing impaired or have a speech impediment, no argument there.
…
But uh, I am also a high functioning autistic… and, maybe I’ve just been around the block a bit more, crafted and worn more masks, maybe I am just older… the way I see it is ‘cultured’ is another malleable, non specific adjective or group description, where… everyone who uses such a term actually has their own specific definition of what it means, but acts like everyone actually has the same definition.
I guess my use of the term is also coming across as… meaning that anyone it applies to is some kind of innately, fundamentally inferior, and I don’t mean it in that way.
There are plenty of exceptional people who have no familiarity with … some subset of all possible media or traditions or cuisine or concievably literally anything that anyone could consider to be a marker of ‘cultured’.
And on its own… there’s no shame in that at all… this seems so obvious to me that I am kind of baffled I’d need to explicitly say it.
If you don’t know how to say a word, there’s no real, serious reason to be embarassed: you never learned, you never had the experiences that could lead to that.
Someone can just say, oh, its actually said this way, (in this case this is rather clear and objective as the people who named it have an official, correct, ‘canon’ way to say it), and then you go ‘oh, ok, thanks!’
…
Anyway:
Im not trying to say that not looking up how to pronounce a word means you are uncultured… that would just mean you never looked up how to pronounce it.
I am trying to say that many people who are familiar with and have read/seen/experienced Beckett… are more likely to get the reference immediately, similar to how an inside joke works.
So if you haven’t seen Waiting for Godot… thats a part of culture you haven’t experienced.
Turns out there is at least this rather low visual quality, but entire Waiting for Godot movie just on a tiny youtube channel…
And it also appears that I am so uncultured to have not realize there have in fact been several cinematic versions of the play!
This one appears to be from 2001, directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, produced in Ireland… not sure if it got a showing in theatres, or was made for public TV broadcast.
Seems right to me to go to an Irish production, with Irish cast, for a seminal Irish screenplay… at least as an introduction.
There are evidently at least 8 or 9 film/tv versions of Waiting for Godot, including one directed by Beckett himself, I had no idea haha!
Not that I’m aware of, but if you wanna start one, it might be a good idea to not fill it with fabricated quotes that remove all the surrounding context.
Maybe you could go back to reddit, make a subreddit entirely devoted to shit stirring and drama there?
Okay, as much as I approve of mocking bigots, I didn’t pronounce “Godot” properly for a few years because I had never heard the name spoken before. I’d only ever read it.
Usually, if a word is used properly, but pronounced wrong, it’s an indicator that the word was learned from reading, not from hearing. Typically, people receptive to learning will try to correct themselves when it’s pointed out. I’m very self conscious of this because I’m awful at pronouncing words.
But for folks like this, yeah, mock the hell out of them.
Also, “dot” with a hard T is like super common in programming naming. It’s a pretty reasonable mistake to make.
And the mascot is a robot, it makes sense to assume it rhymes.
I love when I hear folks do this. It always gives me a little wholesome bump that it’s from reading.
Lol grew up reading a lot of books and such, so very similar and I am usually bad at assumed pronunciation, such as godot which I just learned thanks to this thread.
What you’re saying is true, that not knowing how to pronounce aloud a word you’ve only ever read is not some kind of 100% surefire sign you’re a bigot or anything like that.
It just means, as you say, that you’ve never heard it said aloud.
But… that also means you never bothered to look up how it is pronounced (its on wikipedia, the actual Godot devs have videos of them saying it, etc)… and it does also mean you presumably are also unfamiliar with Waiting for Godot.
So I would say you are also ‘uncultured’ in that way, but of course, simply being uncultured doesn’t make one a bigot.
You could just not have the time, money, etc, to have seen the play before.
That by no means say anything else really concrete about you, or any other person, if that’s like… the only single datapoint you know about them.
In all seriousness, I do strongly recommend seeing the actual play, probably you could find a dramatic reading / radio drama version of it somewhere on the net, or even a full video captured performance of it on a forgotten youtube channel or the Internet Archive.
I… don’t know that its ever been adapted as a proper movie, perhaps a film snob can appear and call me uncultured, haja!
I would strongly disagree with not looking up the specific pronunciation of a word being an indicator of being less cultured, as this does paint those who are not able to hear it (or have learning disabilities) as inherently less cultured.
I never looked up the specific pronunciation because I was not aware the name was not pronounced the way it was spelt until my mother told me. Being a high functioning autistic individual, I am generally afraid of using words I don’t already say a lot because I am never sure of the proper pronunciation (which is also subject to variation due to accents and regional dialects).
Personally, I subscribe to the idea of sharing new things with people and teaching if they’re receptive to it, because that’s a lot more constructive in my opinion.
You said the play was worth watching, yes? Is there a particular recording you would recommend recommend?
derp, looks like i fucked up the last url and made lemmy throw a fit… spaces in urls are problematic
Well, you’ve got a point with those that are hearing impaired or have a speech impediment, no argument there.
…
But uh, I am also a high functioning autistic… and, maybe I’ve just been around the block a bit more, crafted and worn more masks, maybe I am just older… the way I see it is ‘cultured’ is another malleable, non specific adjective or group description, where… everyone who uses such a term actually has their own specific definition of what it means, but acts like everyone actually has the same definition.
I guess my use of the term is also coming across as… meaning that anyone it applies to is some kind of innately, fundamentally inferior, and I don’t mean it in that way.
There are plenty of exceptional people who have no familiarity with … some subset of all possible media or traditions or cuisine or concievably literally anything that anyone could consider to be a marker of ‘cultured’.
And on its own… there’s no shame in that at all… this seems so obvious to me that I am kind of baffled I’d need to explicitly say it.
If you don’t know how to say a word, there’s no real, serious reason to be embarassed: you never learned, you never had the experiences that could lead to that.
Someone can just say, oh, its actually said this way, (in this case this is rather clear and objective as the people who named it have an official, correct, ‘canon’ way to say it), and then you go ‘oh, ok, thanks!’
…
Anyway:
Im not trying to say that not looking up how to pronounce a word means you are uncultured… that would just mean you never looked up how to pronounce it.
I am trying to say that many people who are familiar with and have read/seen/experienced Beckett… are more likely to get the reference immediately, similar to how an inside joke works.
So if you haven’t seen Waiting for Godot… thats a part of culture you haven’t experienced.
Thats what I mean by uncultured.
…
Ok, as for actual recommendations:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=izX5dIzI2RE
Turns out there is at least this rather low visual quality, but entire Waiting for Godot movie just on a tiny youtube channel…
And it also appears that I am so uncultured to have not realize there have in fact been several cinematic versions of the play!
This one appears to be from 2001, directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, produced in Ireland… not sure if it got a showing in theatres, or was made for public TV broadcast.
Seems right to me to go to an Irish production, with Irish cast, for a seminal Irish screenplay… at least as an introduction.
There are evidently at least 8 or 9 film/tv versions of Waiting for Godot, including one directed by Beckett himself, I had no idea haha!
www.imdb.com/find/?=waiting for godot
EDIT: bad url, bad! uh yeah, i guess just copy and paste it manually?
Is there a community for Shit Lemmy Says?
Not that I’m aware of, but if you wanna start one, it might be a good idea to not fill it with fabricated quotes that remove all the surrounding context.
Maybe you could go back to reddit, make a subreddit entirely devoted to shit stirring and drama there?
Seems like a better fit to me.