Sorry if my question was weird.

And no, I am not some human’s pet that just became intelligent and took over their Lemmy account. 😺

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    Of course it does. It’s why children and the mentally handicapped can’t sign into contracts and can’t consent to sex among other things.

    In addition, I’m willing to bet both of those people are probably 1 or 2 standard deviations above average intelligence. Just because they say stupid things does not make them stupid.

    I personally think they’re both modern geniuses in the sense that they learned how to grift in the new social media era better than so many others. Trump with his at the time unique use of social media and simple repetitive speeches while I was impressed at Tate’s ban evasion strategy.

    Tate created a sort of pyramid scheme after he got banned from everywhere online. His people were encouraged to spread his content in order to get more sign-ups for his pyramid scheme. They would get a % of the revenue from sign-ups. So for a good few months his face was everywhere online and he was the top google search topic in the US - even though he was banned from most social medias. Thousands of his fans would post short clips of his content to YouTube, reddit, Instagram, etc.

    Tate also has an impressive power of manipulation with certain types of women. He has managed to convince dozens of very attractive women to come from the across the world to essentially prostitute themselves online for him.

    Of course, both broke the law with total disregard. Trump in too many ways to count and Tate by using fraud and coercion to maintain his control over the women (ie sex trafficking)… but honestly I’m impressed at both of them.

    I think we need good guys who have balls and are creative with social media. Why is it only the nutters who are successful like this?

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        Hey, a little show business and flair for the dramatic for a good cause can be considered manipulation but I think it would be good. Imagine a socialist Trump who isn’t afraid to blast people and is able to get all the attention Trump does.

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            I agree. A tendency for raping minors is definitely not a desirable trait in a leader.

            Really I want a controversial leftist populist who is good with modern media. Maybe it’d be dangerous but I’d imagine no more dangerous than Trump and his death cult.

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              I’m so tired of the media circus shit. I wish we could elect someone utterly boring and pragmatic :(

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                In a perfect world I think that’d be best. Some sort of experienced and educated technocrat who gradually reforms the system into a more equitable one.

                Realistically though, the issue is two-fold. In this modern environment with lowering attention spans and increasing polarization, you need this type of circus media strategy to be a viable candidate.

                Even Biden’s campaign for example is posting “dark brandon” ads on conservative websites. I don’t think he’s advertising to conservatives as much as knowing it will go viral and everyone else will see it as well. And from what I can gather, it worked pretty well. I’ve seen multiple posts about that campaign online on different platforms.

                Secondly, we are in unprecedented times. Gradual reform won’t cut it. There are threats of war, economic instability, political tensions (including violence), etc. I think the only real way to be effective in this environment is by being radical. Anything else would just maintain the status quo - essentially biding time until the next radical right winger wins again. It’s too dangerous.

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      I am not the least impressed by criminals who violate the law (and not petty laws like I pirated a CD) in order to succeed. Try being Mozart. That would impress me and that I would call genius.

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        There are many people in prison today and there is only one Trump.

        The guy took down the entire GOP establishment in 2016 and essentially owns the party today. It’s hard to understate the significance of this. It was essentially a coup, and he managed to do it with media.

        If the left ever wants real change in this country we need to be able to do the same thing. Bernie for example failed.

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          His team with help from foreign powers did that. He did nothing but prattle nonsense. There are many people in prison and only one of each and only one as rich as Trump. A richness he didn’t create.

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            Ok so answer this - you believe Trump played absolutely zero role in the takeover of the Republican party? You think he was simply a puppet for foreign powers and his apparent aptitude with the media is entirely due to this connection to foreign powers?

            Obviously no one leader acts alone - even Hitler himself in his rise to power had to stand on the shoulders of his advisors and supporters. But what role did he play in his domination of German politics?

            I think personally these types of people learn to surf intuitively. They ride the wave of public opinion and know what to say from some sort of intuitive sense. Trump had time to develop this sense - he has been in the public eye more or less his whole life and spent many years on TV.

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              Hitler was a giant if compared to that babbling orange splash. I know this better than anyone, there’s nobody who understands that better than I do, we’ll build a beautiful wall. C’mon, he’s worse than Berlusconi and he was a clown. I can’t fathom why people vote for these idiots but then we have Miss Meloni who believes torture should be legalized cos restraints force the police to operate suboptimally. This world was finished the moment we started being cretins and it’s all downhill from here.