By your logic, since you can’t produce a long term study of health outcomes for vegan populations, your claim is also void. Also, neither the article or I made any claims about the health effects of meat.
I have 10,000 years of human health outcomes to prove eating meat is healthy. I don’t need long term data to show that not eating meat, only eating candy, is unhealthy.
The fact that vegans can’t become Olympic athletes is proof it isn’t healthy.
The question was never “is meat healthy?” It’s “is eating animal products necessary for human health?” as you originally claimed. Are you still taking the position that animal products are inherently necessary for human health?
Yes and until I see a multi-generational family all fed Vegan from birth till pregnancy and birth again I’ll maintain that position.
Or see any reasonal percentage of healthy athletes using a vegan diet from before their athletic career started well into the height of their athletic career.
Meat is absolutely required for human health. You can survive on some really shitty food for a long time but any vegan would be healthier if they included animal foods 100%.
So, instead of using data to decide your position, you decide your position ahead of time and ignore any information to the contrary that isn’t a decades long study? I would think the more reasonable position for you to take would be that you don’t know if eating animal products are necessary for long-term multigenerational health outcomes.
Oh there is plenty of data. Just look at life expectancy. Look at the highest meat consumption per person vs the lowest. India has a shit life expectancy and eats very little meat. Japan and hongkong have very high meat consumption and live very long.
You’re assuming correlation implies causation. There’s also a direct correlation between life expectancy and per capita wealth, which you’re conveniently ignoring. Correcting for external factors, there’s been an association between vegetarian/vegan diets and lower prevalence of disease and obesity.
there’s been an association between vegetarian/vegan diets and lower prevalence of disease and obesity.
I think you are implying association means causation. There’s also a direct correlation between life expectancy and per capita wealth, which you’re conveniently ignoring. Most of the data you pull that kinda garbage from comes from highly biased seventh day Adventist studies.
The point is there has never been a observational study that has shown eating meat decreases life expectancy. And looking at per meat consumption at a society level we see high meat consumption correlate with longer life not shorter life. Which indicates to me vegetarian diets are shit. I do believe I recently read about a Harvard study which showed low carb mostly meat diets reduce diabetes markers at-least. If you are interested I can get you the link.
I’m more interested in the supposed study correlating high meat consumption with longer life. Do you have one to support that claim, as I’ve provided two that seem counter to it?
By your logic, since you can’t produce a long term study of health outcomes for vegan populations, your claim is also void. Also, neither the article or I made any claims about the health effects of meat.
I have 10,000 years of human health outcomes to prove eating meat is healthy. I don’t need long term data to show that not eating meat, only eating candy, is unhealthy.
The fact that vegans can’t become Olympic athletes is proof it isn’t healthy.
The question was never “is meat healthy?” It’s “is eating animal products necessary for human health?” as you originally claimed. Are you still taking the position that animal products are inherently necessary for human health?
Yes and until I see a multi-generational family all fed Vegan from birth till pregnancy and birth again I’ll maintain that position. Or see any reasonal percentage of healthy athletes using a vegan diet from before their athletic career started well into the height of their athletic career.
Meat is absolutely required for human health. You can survive on some really shitty food for a long time but any vegan would be healthier if they included animal foods 100%.
So, instead of using data to decide your position, you decide your position ahead of time and ignore any information to the contrary that isn’t a decades long study? I would think the more reasonable position for you to take would be that you don’t know if eating animal products are necessary for long-term multigenerational health outcomes.
Oh there is plenty of data. Just look at life expectancy. Look at the highest meat consumption per person vs the lowest. India has a shit life expectancy and eats very little meat. Japan and hongkong have very high meat consumption and live very long.
You’re assuming correlation implies causation. There’s also a direct correlation between life expectancy and per capita wealth, which you’re conveniently ignoring. Correcting for external factors, there’s been an association between vegetarian/vegan diets and lower prevalence of disease and obesity.
Adventist study findings show inverse correlation between meat consumption and certain health risk factors.
Blue zones with the highest life expectancy all share very low meat consumption (less than 5 servings per month)..
I think you are implying association means causation. There’s also a direct correlation between life expectancy and per capita wealth, which you’re conveniently ignoring. Most of the data you pull that kinda garbage from comes from highly biased seventh day Adventist studies.
The point is there has never been a observational study that has shown eating meat decreases life expectancy. And looking at per meat consumption at a society level we see high meat consumption correlate with longer life not shorter life. Which indicates to me vegetarian diets are shit. I do believe I recently read about a Harvard study which showed low carb mostly meat diets reduce diabetes markers at-least. If you are interested I can get you the link.
I’m more interested in the supposed study correlating high meat consumption with longer life. Do you have one to support that claim, as I’ve provided two that seem counter to it?