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  • Well, this comment of yours doesn’t look like a good faith argument.

    What I meant is that it takes two sides for one. And when two people are ready to argue in good faith, one may downgrade the level of contention from “argue” to “discuss” without any loss.

    (For me and my sister it would still be “argue”, but we are just rude to each other.)





  • rottingleaf@lemmy.ziptoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldNever give up
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    4 months ago

    he goal isn’t to sway the fanatics, it’s to publicly quash their arguments. To sway curious onlookers away from fanaticism before they become fanatics themselves.

    Friendly reminder that the above is what I answered first.

    Sorry, but this is a load of bollocks. It’s you putting yourself above some “gullible people” and still using debate skills to deceive them, just in some “good” direction. Maybe you are really right, but they believe you for the wrong reasons, and the process itself doesn’t reinforce that you are right in any way.


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    For my argument it’s sufficient that they are very much not the same.

    This is similar to saying that a big company leading in some area can be benevolent and do good things. Yes, it can, like DEC, Sun, at some point even IBM. Doesn’t prove the statement that every social institution and mechanism out there must be replaced by markets.


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    4 months ago

    As I’ve just said in two other comments, “changing someone’s mind” is just a return to barbarism and Middle Ages. When a few literate theology doctors would publicly “defeat” their opponents, the barely literate mass of their audience (monks, nobles and such) would watch and approve, and the illiterate mass would kinda get that those pesky heretics\infidels got totally owned by facts and logic.

    So any person arguing with that emotion and visible goal should just be left to eat other such ignorami. Nobody worth arguing with has those.


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    The goal isn’t to sway the fanatics, it’s to publicly quash their arguments. To sway curious onlookers away from fanaticism before they become fanatics themselves.

    As I’ve said in another comment, this is return to Middle Ages. Debating skills have not much in common with reasoning skills.




  • Yep, that one where the person on the peak starts lecturing you in abstract terms about trying the simplest hypotheses and such, while you are trying to solve their problem.

    I know the philosophy part that asshole is talking about, only he has no bloody clue which part is simple and which is not here.

    It was a hang port on a switch in that case.




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    4 months ago

    because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again)

    You missed the moment where NSDAP and German communists kinda had intersecting constituencies, as in “angry young people with nothing good to do”.

    Many stormtroopers were members of both at different points of their, eh, path.

    And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire,

    Which was almost certainly a false flag operation by Nazis.

    Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.

    Such parallels always suck. They didn’t really have liberals in the Weimar republic. It was all conservatives, monarchists, nationalists, and some fishy social-democrats. And it was kinda authoritarian at every point.

    This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.

    Yep. You might consider that such a republic shouldn’t be so readily compared to the US.

    I’m not saying future is cool.


  • These fit under “state-level scams”.

    EDIT: Still, while I wasn’t going to compliment them or something, it can be a valid strategy for survival to use anything to accumulate some operational power ; I can see a few nations (not all of them have recognized states) on the map for which it may be necessary to survive in the following decade. But Nazis didn’t have to take such risks, it was ideological for them that theft and robbery are better than honest work.


  • They’ve also ran a few state-level scams and Ponzi schemes to have the funds for that military and other spending.

    Their business model was - step 1, cheat to have money, step 2, use money to rearm, step 3, conquer and loot, thus get funds that way, step 4 probably would be to force some peace, then rearm, then rinse and repeat, but they didn’t manage to capture a few strategic areas they needed in time. So they had fuel shortages, food shortages, and ultimately lost.


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    What do you expect, people think Hitler was good for most Germans and restored economy and made trains run on time, and the defeat part oh well. Because that’s what movies show. And that’s because for commies Hitler was just a variation of the west, probably less capricious, while for the west Hitler was bad, but good against commies. So both would show Nazis as being better than their opponent.