From https://promusicianhub.com/what-is-punk-music/
In its most basic definition, Punk music is a manifestation of the rebellious, anti-authority punk subculture that peaked in the second half of the 1970s, primarily in the US and the UK. Not just a music genre, but punk is more of an attitude, a philosophy, and a whole way of being.
Sure it doesn’t sound like punk music, but they sure as hell ripped a massive middle finger at authority.
It’s worth noting that the act has been criticized by Malasia’s queer community as exacerbating tensions and reinforcing negative stereotypes. I don’t have a strong opinion but it’s generally best to listen to the concerns of the community you’re trying to stick up for before doing a political stunt on their behalf (I’m queer btw)
It’s almost like any kind of advocacy done in name of a marginalized group without actually including and consulting said group is performative, masturbatory and counterproductive.
This applies to most things well-meaning “progressive” libs choose to champion: race, indigenous peoples, immigrants, you name it.
And from what I hear, the lead singer is just a loose cannon personally, and probably put zero planning into it.
Really sounds like he wasn’t standing up for them at all
These guys are a bunch of narcissistic assholes who screwed over everyone else at that entire concert for a publicity stunt. The event was cancelled midway through, Tthe attendees, didnt get their money back, the vendors had to shut down and surrender the merchandise they were gonna sell so they didn’t get compensated for that and the venue itself has come under investigation and can’t host any more shows till the owners are either replaced or the investigation is concluded which could take years.
They did zero research, didn’t give a rats ass about how this would effect anyone else, all they thought was “hmm, Malaysia isn’t big on the gay, what if we made a spectacle about a gay kiss? We could pull a Lil nas x and really monetise this!”
Fuck em.
Yep that sounds about right after getting the full context. Disappointing.
What the fuck is that title?
As someone who has never heard of neither the band The 1975 nor their kissing stunts, it took me a couple of reads for sure.
The guitarist, Matty Healy, is a racist piece of shit and nothing he ever does is punk. He masturbates to black women being degraded and dehumanized. Fuck him and fuck anyone bringing him or his band up.
Do you have a source for that?
I hadn’t even heard of these guys before the Malaysia news so cool your jets there buddy.
Ok yep, sounds like he’s just a provocateur.
Masturbating to black women being raped and brutalized is not being a provocateur. It’s being a white supremacist. Fuck you op for defending white supremacy
As charming as the production company name ‘Ghetto Gaggers’ sounds, it wasn’t really something I wanted to look up, however; I can tell you one thing. Those women weren’t raped. They are paid adult performers. Probably not a good idea to appropriate the rape word because it doesn’t apply. Women get raped for real every day and it’s best not to water down the impact of the word.
I recommend looking up the “ethics” in the porn industry before claiming those women weren’t raped.
Yeah no their whole shtick is they lie to women and don’t tell them what fucked up shit they are going to do to them. They are targeting homeless and poor women who have little choices for earning money and then brutalize dehumanize and rape them. What the fuck is wrong with you defending this and what the fuck is wrong with the seven people who upvoted you. Nice to see white supremacy and rape culture alive and well on lemmy.
Can you provide a source for this? Makes it easier to moderate if you can back up what you’re saying.
It’s not.
Punk is a musical tradition. Rock and roll was always about rebellion. What made punk different was the back to basic, do it yourself attitude to the music. It’s rebellion, not only against society, but also against increasingly polished music in the 70s with everyone trying to be Zeppelin.
It arguably started with the Dolls and the Stooges, and grew like wildfire in CBGB. It spread to England when forming members of the Clash and Sex Pistols attended a single Ramones show. It got commercialised through the Pistols and political through the Clash. It got hardened in California, from Black Flag to the Kennedys. The US saw an inspired hardcore scene for a few years.
After that I’d argue it died. Plenty of people would probably pour a beer over me for that.
If it doesn’t draw from this musical tradition at all, calling it punk is just completely misleading. Ray Charles wasn’t punk just because he refused to play for a segregated audience. He was a complete badass, but that’s a different thing entirely. And even when drawing from punk as a tradition, whether or not post punk and pop punk should be considered punk is already a debate not worth having.
Dude, nice link! < 1000 subs! These guys are all good. I’d see them if they ever came to NZ.
In return, here’s a NZ punk band I just saw live (fucking excellent) and they have only 20 subs on youtube!
Here’s the bandcamp for the full discography. I recommend Surf the Streets to get the feel.
Thanks man, Pet Needs was on tour with Frank Turner last year in the U.S. and they blew me away.
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I blame the internet, my generation was pissed off and we were going to change things.
Then as we got old enough to actually do something, the internet took off and everyone just started screaming into the void instead.
Punk isn’t a genre, it’s a lifestyle. Somewhere in the 90s people, including the artists themselves, mistook it only as a musical genre.
The 1975 is punk imo, even though they dont fit the genre.
Words can be multiple things.
Exactly, many genres of music are tied to a subculture and an aesthetic.
That’s not really what I was getting at.
The 1975 is headed up by a white supremacist. That’s the furthest thing from punk.
If you’ve heard their work, and understood who wrote it, you would know that Matty Healy is not a white supremacist. He’s just a fucking idiot with a shit sense of humor. Kinda tired of people framing people as extremists when they made a few problematic remarks on a couple podcasts at worst.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniesoteriou/taylor-swift-fans-distancing-matty-healy-brutalize-women
Yeah fuck you and your actually it’s just some stupid comments made on some podcasts. He admitted to masturbating to black women being brutalized.
They’re pop or maybe alternative. Definitely not punk. And kissing a fellow band member doesn’t make you a punk
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Edited and joke removed. After reading that buzz feed article I realized that this is not the time for humor.
OP, you’re admiring a hateful, racist, disgusting excuse of a human being.
Admiring and bringing up excuses for a nazi makes you a nazi. Period.
And how exactly am I admiring this band? I had never heard of these guys before the news story, and I agree this Healy dude sounds like a dickhead. I was simply asking a question about the band and punk movement.
Well you said he was just being a provocateur when I brought up how racist and fucked up he is. That’s defending and making excuses.
Ok, ill give you the benefit of the doubt and explain it to you as best as I can: Being a personification of White Nationalism is not punk and is not ripping a massive middle finger at authority, it simply is being a Nazi. And as such, he deserves no admiration and no discussion. The only thing he deserves is a massive ripping of his middle frontal gyrus.
Relevant case study on the punk/neo nazi connection.
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Oh this was on Green Room!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4062536/
If you enjoy horror/thriller, I definitely recommend this one. It’s chilling.
Has Patrick Stewart playing the head of the neo nazi gang. Never seen him play a villain before, he really should be given more roles like this.
I am not familiar with the band, could you link the buzz feed article you are referring to?
It’s this one. The guy sounds like a bit of a douche.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniesoteriou/taylor-swift-fans-distancing-matty-healy-brutalize-women
